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> Seriously, who's in charge here anymore? Shouldn't users get to decide what software they are running on their own computers? You make it seem like this wasn

by e40 2y ago

> Seriously, who's in charge here anymore? Shouldn't users get to decide what software they are running on their own computers? You make it seem like this wasn't intentional. This came from the top and I expect there were a lot of people in the implementation path that did not like it. It's a feature not a bug. I left Windows a long, long time ago. But, I will say that I think Microsoft is following Apple more here. Apple supports (with bug/security fixes) the last 3 major releases. Yeah, you can run an unsupported macOS forever (without ads for the newer one), but they don't go as far back as Microsoft ever did.

ryandrake 2y ago
> But, I will say that I think Microsoft is following Apple more here. Oh, yes. It's bad that the two biggest desktop OS vendors seem to be working in lock-step against user choice. Apple always seems to do it first, then Microsoft copies it in a more extreme, yet hamfisted way. Apple also nags you to upgrade the OS, but they do it subtly, in a notification that is annoying but not that intrusive and it's dismissible. Microsoft barrels in and says "Hey, I wanna do that too!" but instead throws up trashy full-screen popups and "warnings" to the user (as if the user is a naughty puppy). Apple really wants you to have an Apple ID, too, and has various subtle ways of reminding you just how much of a sad person you are for not having one. Microsoft then comes barreling in with "Hahah! We're going to FORCE you get a Microsoft ID, and require you to use it to log in to your own PC! Howbout that!?"
- prerok 2y ago
  Well, exactly that. I was a Mac user, enforced by my employer at the time, and I did not quite like it but was ok with it. Would never pay for it, with the high price, though. I use (soon to be used) Windows on my home PC since Windows 95. I really liked Windows 7. The free upgrade to Windows 10 was... underwhelming, to say the least. Windows 11 is ten times worse. So, yeah, the year of the Linux desktop arrived for me because Windows is now complete crap.
SllX 2y ago
They should probably stop following Apple then. What makes sense for Apple doesn’t necessarily make sense for Microsoft and vice versa because they’re different companies. I don’t even like Windows but definitely a solid advantage for customers was if Microsoft put out a release you didn’t want, you skipped it and maybe got the next one and that would be the signal to Microsoft “oh, damn, customers didn’t like this one”. Now it just reeks of desperation trying to force all their customers to upgrade to a release they don’t want, even if it is free.
bsder 2y ago
> Yeah, you can run an unsupported macOS forever (without ads for the newer one) Not if you want to do anything other than email and web. Xcode and all the supporting utilities deprecate pretty fast. It doesn't take very long before your old Xcode can't be used to sign or install anything.
- cableshaft 2y ago
  Yeah, Xcode has been the biggest driver of me upgrading my Macbook. Even still I managed to put it off for 8 years, but that's because I took a break from Xcode for several years.

by e40 2y ago

ryandrake 2y ago

> But, I will say that I think Microsoft is following Apple more here. Oh, yes. It's bad that the two biggest desktop OS vendors seem to be working in lock-step against user choice. Apple always seems to do it first, then Microsoft copies it in a more extreme, yet hamfisted way. Apple also nags you to upgrade the OS, but they do it subtly, in a notification that is annoying but not that intrusive and it's dismissible. Microsoft barrels in and says "Hey, I wanna do that too!" but instead throws up trashy full-screen popups and "warnings" to the user (as if the user is a naughty puppy). Apple really wants you to have an Apple ID, too, and has various subtle ways of reminding you just how much of a sad person you are for not having one. Microsoft then comes barreling in with "Hahah! We're going to FORCE you get a Microsoft ID, and require you to use it to log in to your own PC! Howbout that!?"

prerok 2y ago
Well, exactly that. I was a Mac user, enforced by my employer at the time, and I did not quite like it but was ok with it. Would never pay for it, with the high price, though. I use (soon to be used) Windows on my home PC since Windows 95. I really liked Windows 7. The free upgrade to Windows 10 was... underwhelming, to say the least. Windows 11 is ten times worse. So, yeah, the year of the Linux desktop arrived for me because Windows is now complete crap.

SllX 2y ago

They should probably stop following Apple then. What makes sense for Apple doesn’t necessarily make sense for Microsoft and vice versa because they’re different companies. I don’t even like Windows but definitely a solid advantage for customers was if Microsoft put out a release you didn’t want, you skipped it and maybe got the next one and that would be the signal to Microsoft “oh, damn, customers didn’t like this one”. Now it just reeks of desperation trying to force all their customers to upgrade to a release they don’t want, even if it is free.

bsder 2y ago

> Yeah, you can run an unsupported macOS forever (without ads for the newer one) Not if you want to do anything other than email and web. Xcode and all the supporting utilities deprecate pretty fast. It doesn't take very long before your old Xcode can't be used to sign or install anything.

cableshaft 2y ago
Yeah, Xcode has been the biggest driver of me upgrading my Macbook. Even still I managed to put it off for 8 years, but that's because I took a break from Xcode for several years.