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This is honestly just par for the course for HP. The customers should feel lucky that their machines bricked before lighting their houses on fire. A lower qua

by munk-a 2y ago

This is honestly just par for the course for HP. The customers should feel lucky that their machines bricked before lighting their houses on fire. A lower quality mainstream computer manufacturer does not exist.

nebula8804 2y ago
Man you aren't kidding. It has been going on for a long time now. I work on vintage computers for "fun" and recently got a couple of those HP "bubble" systems from the 90s. What a pain in the arse to disassemble. They have to make the PC so convoluted to take apart and have multiple parts where a normal PC just has one. (Ex. Front panel is multiple pieces of brittle plastic, extra metal pieces that are overkill and are sharp so you always cut yourself). I have a stack of P4 and Core 2 era machines that just have some random failure and its almost not worth my time anymore to fix them other than curiosity. P4 and core2 are basically worthless but HP P4 and Core2 systems? No one wants that trash.
- dylan604 2y ago
  > extra metal pieces that are overkill and are sharp so you always cut yourself This is memory I have as well, but not specific to Dell. It was the least favorite part of building/updating any PC from back then. I don't remember one time of not coming away with some sort of scrape or cut.
  - nebula8804 2y ago
    Yeah it was common in 90s PCs. Dell had those silly metal "bars" you had to remove. Like did anyone care if the case would stay intact if you dropped it? But HP just had so much extra redundant metal that you'd have to touch to disassemble the pc so it was just so much more common(in my opinion).
- neilv 2y ago
  > P4 and core2 are basically worthless but HP P4 and Core2 systems? No one wants that trash. Nobody wants post-Fiorina HP computers. But I recently sold several Core 2 IBM/Lenovo laptops, for significant money, because people love those. Last night, I ordered a part to polish up the final one on hand, to sell for $200+.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >But I recently sold several Core 2 IBM/Lenovo laptops, for significant money, because people love those. What do people do with them? Those chips came out in 2006. Loading a modern JS heavy webpage will kneel a Core 2 Duo laptop chip. Maybe it's tinkerers and businesses who buy them, not people. Business who depend on keeping older machinery going in workshops and what not. If you're an average joe in need of a laptop at home for web & stuff, for 200+ USD used you can get much more modern machines for home users that will be better at running modern web content than core 2 duo machines.
    - neilv 2y ago
      I was using Core 2 Duo just fine as daily drivers with Linux until a year ago. I upgraded for different reasons. With 8GB RAM, they will run 3 separate Web browsers at once, still using only a minority of the RAM, and are just fine with pretty much any Web site. (Maybe it helped to be using uBlock Origin, which reduces both page load bulk, and also eliminates some very invasive behavioral spying that can be resource-heavy.) One of the ~10 Core 2 ThinkPads I recently I sold went to a business involved with used science lab equipment. The rest of the sales seemed to be for probably personal use.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        >I was using Core 2 Duo just fine as daily drivers Eh, everyone has a different subjective definition of what "just fine" means. In case of an emergency I guess could make do for a little while with one, but I came back once to my old Core 2 Quad system out of nostalgia and while it does works cand can do things, compared to my newish Ryzen laptop the difference when browsing the web and multitasking is absolutely night and day, but the day is on Pluto. Once you get used to a modern fast machine with 8 cores at 5GHz and NVME ssd, I just could never imagine going back to a core 2 duo and spinning rust machine today, Linux or not. The difference is staggering. >With 8GB RAM That definitely makes a difference, but it's a bit disingenuous, since stuff like 8GB RAM or SSDs were not the standard for Core 2 Duo machines though. Most of those machines you'll find in the wild tend to have more like 1-4GB RAM and spinning rust. That's really tough to daily drive.
dessimus 2y ago
> A lower quality mainstream computer manufacturer does not exist. Just wait until you heard what ASUS Support does for their customers...
- mistrial9 2y ago
  many ASUS products have excellent engineering in my experience
moffkalast 2y ago
Eh HP will at least repair it for free under warranty, ASUS will actively try to scam you to pay extra for repairs you don't even need.
sva_ 2y ago
Their business class devices are pretty damn alright. Typing on one right now. Also the 3 year onsite repair included is pretty great. Would never buy a printer or so from them though.

by munk-a 2y ago

nebula8804 2y ago

Man you aren't kidding. It has been going on for a long time now. I work on vintage computers for "fun" and recently got a couple of those HP "bubble" systems from the 90s. What a pain in the arse to disassemble. They have to make the PC so convoluted to take apart and have multiple parts where a normal PC just has one. (Ex. Front panel is multiple pieces of brittle plastic, extra metal pieces that are overkill and are sharp so you always cut yourself). I have a stack of P4 and Core 2 era machines that just have some random failure and its almost not worth my time anymore to fix them other than curiosity. P4 and core2 are basically worthless but HP P4 and Core2 systems? No one wants that trash.

dylan604 2y ago
> extra metal pieces that are overkill and are sharp so you always cut yourself This is memory I have as well, but not specific to Dell. It was the least favorite part of building/updating any PC from back then. I don't remember one time of not coming away with some sort of scrape or cut.
- nebula8804 2y ago
  Yeah it was common in 90s PCs. Dell had those silly metal "bars" you had to remove. Like did anyone care if the case would stay intact if you dropped it? But HP just had so much extra redundant metal that you'd have to touch to disassemble the pc so it was just so much more common(in my opinion).
neilv 2y ago
> P4 and core2 are basically worthless but HP P4 and Core2 systems? No one wants that trash. Nobody wants post-Fiorina HP computers. But I recently sold several Core 2 IBM/Lenovo laptops, for significant money, because people love those. Last night, I ordered a part to polish up the final one on hand, to sell for $200+.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >But I recently sold several Core 2 IBM/Lenovo laptops, for significant money, because people love those. What do people do with them? Those chips came out in 2006. Loading a modern JS heavy webpage will kneel a Core 2 Duo laptop chip. Maybe it's tinkerers and businesses who buy them, not people. Business who depend on keeping older machinery going in workshops and what not. If you're an average joe in need of a laptop at home for web & stuff, for 200+ USD used you can get much more modern machines for home users that will be better at running modern web content than core 2 duo machines.
  - neilv 2y ago
    I was using Core 2 Duo just fine as daily drivers with Linux until a year ago. I upgraded for different reasons. With 8GB RAM, they will run 3 separate Web browsers at once, still using only a minority of the RAM, and are just fine with pretty much any Web site. (Maybe it helped to be using uBlock Origin, which reduces both page load bulk, and also eliminates some very invasive behavioral spying that can be resource-heavy.) One of the ~10 Core 2 ThinkPads I recently I sold went to a business involved with used science lab equipment. The rest of the sales seemed to be for probably personal use.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >I was using Core 2 Duo just fine as daily drivers Eh, everyone has a different subjective definition of what "just fine" means. In case of an emergency I guess could make do for a little while with one, but I came back once to my old Core 2 Quad system out of nostalgia and while it does works cand can do things, compared to my newish Ryzen laptop the difference when browsing the web and multitasking is absolutely night and day, but the day is on Pluto. Once you get used to a modern fast machine with 8 cores at 5GHz and NVME ssd, I just could never imagine going back to a core 2 duo and spinning rust machine today, Linux or not. The difference is staggering. >With 8GB RAM That definitely makes a difference, but it's a bit disingenuous, since stuff like 8GB RAM or SSDs were not the standard for Core 2 Duo machines though. Most of those machines you'll find in the wild tend to have more like 1-4GB RAM and spinning rust. That's really tough to daily drive.

dessimus 2y ago

> A lower quality mainstream computer manufacturer does not exist. Just wait until you heard what ASUS Support does for their customers...

mistrial9 2y ago
many ASUS products have excellent engineering in my experience

moffkalast 2y ago

Eh HP will at least repair it for free under warranty, ASUS will actively try to scam you to pay extra for repairs you don't even need.

sva_ 2y ago

Their business class devices are pretty damn alright. Typing on one right now. Also the 3 year onsite repair included is pretty great. Would never buy a printer or so from them though.