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This is exactly the same reason I had in the 90s using tmux’s precursor, GNU screen. With dialup or crappy isdn, screen -R was always the first input after logi

This is exactly the same reason I had in the 90s using tmux’s precursor, GNU screen. With dialup or crappy isdn, screen -R was always the first input after login Have we gone from shitty connectivity to stable and then back to shitty?

jprete 2y ago
I don't think so! But tmux is really useful for laptop scenarios, like when the laptop goes to sleep, or if you're working on a train and it goes through a tunnel with no network reception.
elcomet 2y ago
I still use screen, is tmux better?
- Groxx 2y ago
  By a decent measure, yes. It's screen plus modern QoL additions like multi-panels/windows/tabs and a giant pile more, and it's decades-stable so that's not like a "node framework of the week" pile of useful stuff that you'll have to rip out next month. It's very firmly established as a full screen successor. For strictly "keep one thing running remotely" it's not much different (screen is entirely fine), but for "do work remotely" it's like comparing `cat` and `less`. One does what the other does and a heck of a lot more that is very useful when you need it. Sure, you can use grep, but having an integrated (reversible) incremental search is hard to truly replicate from the outside. Tmux is kinda on a similar level vs screen. Personally fwiw: I almost exclusively use tmux with iterm's integration, so I don't have to learn basically any of it. I just get resumable terminal tabs and windows when I ssh anywhere, and they're still there months later when I go back. With that kind of setup it's just plain magic, a complete no-brainer, feels like what computing just obviously should be (even though it isn't). I've learned enough of the details around screen/tmux/etc to know that I'm glad to shove almost all of it over there and ignore it.
technofiend 2y ago
It's handy even if you just need to go from work to home to Starbucks or whatever. Doesn't have to be a poor connection as much as one that changes occasionally.
pletnes 2y ago
In a way - I use laptops that move around and go on/off, as well as VPNs which do the same, network-wise.
Aerbil313 2y ago
SSH fares poorly on mobile connections if you're traveling due to IPv4 roaming. Mosh solves that issue.

jprete 2y ago

I don't think so! But tmux is really useful for laptop scenarios, like when the laptop goes to sleep, or if you're working on a train and it goes through a tunnel with no network reception.

elcomet 2y ago

I still use screen, is tmux better?

Groxx 2y ago
By a decent measure, yes. It's screen plus modern QoL additions like multi-panels/windows/tabs and a giant pile more, and it's decades-stable so that's not like a "node framework of the week" pile of useful stuff that you'll have to rip out next month. It's very firmly established as a full screen successor. For strictly "keep one thing running remotely" it's not much different (screen is entirely fine), but for "do work remotely" it's like comparing `cat` and `less`. One does what the other does and a heck of a lot more that is very useful when you need it. Sure, you can use grep, but having an integrated (reversible) incremental search is hard to truly replicate from the outside. Tmux is kinda on a similar level vs screen. Personally fwiw: I almost exclusively use tmux with iterm's integration, so I don't have to learn basically any of it. I just get resumable terminal tabs and windows when I ssh anywhere, and they're still there months later when I go back. With that kind of setup it's just plain magic, a complete no-brainer, feels like what computing just obviously should be (even though it isn't). I've learned enough of the details around screen/tmux/etc to know that I'm glad to shove almost all of it over there and ignore it.

technofiend 2y ago

It's handy even if you just need to go from work to home to Starbucks or whatever. Doesn't have to be a poor connection as much as one that changes occasionally.

pletnes 2y ago

In a way - I use laptops that move around and go on/off, as well as VPNs which do the same, network-wise.

Aerbil313 2y ago

SSH fares poorly on mobile connections if you're traveling due to IPv4 roaming. Mosh solves that issue.