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This is a complex problem, I understand that rent is a sensitive issue. But sustaining a system that criminals actively exploit is probably resulting in the wor

This is a complex problem, I understand that rent is a sensitive issue. But sustaining a system that criminals actively exploit is probably resulting in the worst possible outcome for everyone. He did not rent the place out, but preferred to keep it to themselves as a pleasant place to spend a few weeks to months as they are getting old now. But after this incident he sold it quickly.

diggan 2y ago
> He did not rent the place out, but preferred to keep it to themselves as a pleasant place to spend a few weeks to months as they are getting old now. But after this incident he sold it quickly. If it's their primary residence, then it's not considered "occupation" but rather "breaking and entering", and contacting the local police would get the criminals removed quickly, without much fuss. It sounds more like it was a vacation house, and potentially for people who don't actually live in the country. In that case, it gets harder to claim they're in a morally superior position, especially considering the housing crisis we face here, that gets worse and worse every day.
- Wytwwww 2y ago
  I'm just curious because I have a only very limited understanding of the situation there but surely it must have been considerably worse back in 2007-2008 compared to now? Since housing prices seem to still be ~30% lower inflation adjusted currently than they were before the GFC.
  - taopai 2y ago
    In 2007 you could rent a flat in Barcelona for ~500 euros. Know a two room ugly old flat will cost you at least 1000 euros. And still raising. A normal flat will cost you 1500 euros, which is the average monthly net salary there.
  - e40 2y ago
    I don’t think immigration issues were as bad then.
Vegenoid 2y ago
Without making judgement myself, this is exactly what squatters, and those who support them, would consider a success story: 1. The house has wealthy owners who treat it as an investment 2. The house remains empty almost all of the time 3. Squatters occupy the residence and get more utility out of it than the owners 4. As a result, the owners sell the residence, maybe to someone who will live in it or rent it (but maybe not). The lives of the previous owners are largely unchanged. I'm not exactly pro-squatting, but this isn't a very sympathetic story.
- tiborsaas 2y ago
  I did not dot share this story to gain sympathy, this is simply what happened. I'd be caution against shifting over to victim blaming, like he asked for it. Rings a bell?
  - Vegenoid 2y ago
    Frankly, I think jumping straight to comparing me to rape apologists is a terrible way to respond to this. Don't do that if you want to have constructive discussions.

diggan 2y ago

> He did not rent the place out, but preferred to keep it to themselves as a pleasant place to spend a few weeks to months as they are getting old now. But after this incident he sold it quickly. If it's their primary residence, then it's not considered "occupation" but rather "breaking and entering", and contacting the local police would get the criminals removed quickly, without much fuss. It sounds more like it was a vacation house, and potentially for people who don't actually live in the country. In that case, it gets harder to claim they're in a morally superior position, especially considering the housing crisis we face here, that gets worse and worse every day.

Wytwwww 2y ago
I'm just curious because I have a only very limited understanding of the situation there but surely it must have been considerably worse back in 2007-2008 compared to now? Since housing prices seem to still be ~30% lower inflation adjusted currently than they were before the GFC.
- taopai 2y ago
  In 2007 you could rent a flat in Barcelona for ~500 euros. Know a two room ugly old flat will cost you at least 1000 euros. And still raising. A normal flat will cost you 1500 euros, which is the average monthly net salary there.
- e40 2y ago
  I don’t think immigration issues were as bad then.

Vegenoid 2y ago

Without making judgement myself, this is exactly what squatters, and those who support them, would consider a success story: 1. The house has wealthy owners who treat it as an investment 2. The house remains empty almost all of the time 3. Squatters occupy the residence and get more utility out of it than the owners 4. As a result, the owners sell the residence, maybe to someone who will live in it or rent it (but maybe not). The lives of the previous owners are largely unchanged. I'm not exactly pro-squatting, but this isn't a very sympathetic story.

tiborsaas 2y ago
I did not dot share this story to gain sympathy, this is simply what happened. I'd be caution against shifting over to victim blaming, like he asked for it. Rings a bell?
- Vegenoid 2y ago
  Frankly, I think jumping straight to comparing me to rape apologists is a terrible way to respond to this. Don't do that if you want to have constructive discussions.