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And who has to build that shelter, and what about their freedom?
by s1artibartfast 2y ago
And who has to build that shelter, and what about their freedom?
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoNo one has to build that shelter, no one should be coerced to that.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoSo nobody is forced to build shelter, but if someone does build one for themselves, it can be taken? Just trying to understand how this right to shelter works.
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoIt's crucial to understand that if we let a person that build a shelter keep it for eternity then that person can build many shelters such that there will be no land left for other people to build their shelters on.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoIndeed. This is why in a society free from theft, one must build or make something for exchange to get things you want. I don't see why buying two plots and building two houses entitles someone else to one of them.
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoI don't agree with the notion of buying a plot. No one should ever have to pay for an empty plot of land.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoOK, so you dont buy the plot and just build two houses on them. How does that change your logic.
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoHow do you deal with a situation where some people don't have any land anymore to put their houses there?
- s1artibartfast 2y agoThey make something they can trade, or go somewhere where there is land.
- TotalCrackpot 2y agoHow they can make something they can trade, if they have no land on which they can make it? Where can they go, if private property exists in most of the world?
- s1artibartfast 2y agoYou make things that don't need land, like 99% of humans on the planet. AKA get a job. There's no free land, but there is cheap land, especially in deserts. Simply owning land might not be as nice as you imagine
- carapace 2y ago> And who has to build that shelter Jimmy & Rosalynn Carter https://www.habitat.org/carter-work-project https://www.habitat.org/carter-work-project > what about their freedom? I think they made good use of it. We in the USA are the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. We could solve homelessness and hunger tomorrow. I'm not saying that people should lose their property to squatters, that's not the solution. I'm saying that we could build ~300,000 new homes and give them to people for free and it would barely register on the national budget.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoYes, if you assume people won't destroy the free houses, I totally agree. I think it is remarkable that people argue for theft from others instead of donating their time, effort, or money to building those houses. The underlying hypocrisy is that most people argue that others should pay, but won't act individually on their own beliefs
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y agoThen everyone will go sleep in the street, in order to get a free house.
- lazyasciiart 2y agoNo, they won’t.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoWould you sleep in a tent for a year to get a million dollars? I already have a house and would still do it. Hell, I would do it for 10% of that. No job and drinking and camping for a year sounds like an epic vacation. Before you doubt me, I was certifiably homeless in San Francisco for 3 months it was a blast. Slept on couches everyday, worked cash jobs, and partied every night.