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> Not everyone's goal is to progress a society though. Thank you. That was my initial thought too. Why is progress the goal? Not everything has to "progress" a

> Not everyone's goal is to progress a society though. Thank you. That was my initial thought too. Why is progress the goal? Not everything has to "progress" at all times. What progress needs to be made anyway? And towards what end? Who decides that? There's an inherent good to stopping progress and spending some time in a cabin in the woods. If we never stop and enjoy now, then why bother with tomorrow?

_heimdall 2y ago
The really challenge I've had with "progress" as a goal is that it so frequently is missing the context of what we're trying to progress towards. The idea seems to be that starting with what we have today and taking another step forward is always the right move. Never go backwards, and its okay if we don't define our goals beforehand as long as we keep moving our feet.
- will5421 2y ago
  I'm beginning to think it's not progress, just trading off.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    Its progress in some sense and not in others. It all requires context and that's what is so often missing. Progress to what end?
    - veunes 2y ago
      I think that in some aspect progress should not have an end.
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        Yeah that's a really interesting take. To me, whether it has an end really depends on how you define progress and what the goals are. In the common sense where progress is little more than moving our feet, there's no end unless civilization collapses. If one goes at it from the angle of the goal bring "enough", the end really is just getting to a point of maintaining what we already have. Wanting to secure the basics like shelter and reliable access to food and water is met with much less than what we have today. Surely there's some level of convenience and enjoyment that make sense beyond just the basics, but are we not there yet? And if we are, would progress best be focused on the goal of maintaining what we have that gives the most people an enjoyable life while minimizing our impact on the rest of the environment and everything that allowed humans to be here in the first place?
veunes 2y ago
Such a good mindset. Being present in the moment can enhance overall well-being!
- Datagenerator 2y ago
  So never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Each day has enough of its own troubles.

_heimdall 2y ago

The really challenge I've had with "progress" as a goal is that it so frequently is missing the context of what we're trying to progress towards. The idea seems to be that starting with what we have today and taking another step forward is always the right move. Never go backwards, and its okay if we don't define our goals beforehand as long as we keep moving our feet.

will5421 2y ago
I'm beginning to think it's not progress, just trading off.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  Its progress in some sense and not in others. It all requires context and that's what is so often missing. Progress to what end?
  - veunes 2y ago
    I think that in some aspect progress should not have an end.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      Yeah that's a really interesting take. To me, whether it has an end really depends on how you define progress and what the goals are. In the common sense where progress is little more than moving our feet, there's no end unless civilization collapses. If one goes at it from the angle of the goal bring "enough", the end really is just getting to a point of maintaining what we already have. Wanting to secure the basics like shelter and reliable access to food and water is met with much less than what we have today. Surely there's some level of convenience and enjoyment that make sense beyond just the basics, but are we not there yet? And if we are, would progress best be focused on the goal of maintaining what we have that gives the most people an enjoyable life while minimizing our impact on the rest of the environment and everything that allowed humans to be here in the first place?

veunes 2y ago

Such a good mindset. Being present in the moment can enhance overall well-being!

Datagenerator 2y ago
So never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Each day has enough of its own troubles.