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Its not Spain's problem. Its the real estate sector's problem. Both the legitimate okupas and illegitimate 'professional' okupas do serve the purpose of forcing

by zrn900 2y ago

Its not Spain's problem. Its the real estate sector's problem. Both the legitimate okupas and illegitimate 'professional' okupas do serve the purpose of forcing the real estate owners to actually USE their real estate instead of being able to let them sit empty. They either live in them, sell them or rent them - which helps to address the housing demand. Compare this to the US where such a phenomenon does not exist: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housing-prices/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housi...

betaby 2y ago
> Both the legitimate okupas and illegitimate 'professional' okupas do serve the purpose of forcing the real estate owners to actually USE their real estate instead of being able to let them sit empty. Total nonsense, Spanish new recently reported the case when couple went for 3 months trip only to find their apartment squatted. Spain has no property rights for smaller folks.
- diggan 2y ago
  That's anecdotal though... How many of the current okupas happen in other's primary residence? Would be considered trespassing in those cases and a lot easier to get rid of them, compared to the other cases.
  - piuantiderp 2y ago
    Lmao, that's wishful thinking. That's why in decent countries you can get them curb-stomped and their teeth kicked-in for invading a property.
    - diggan 2y ago
      > Lmao, that's wishful thinking. It's literally not. Maybe if you'd actually experience the situation yourself here you'd know about the differences. But alas, hard to understand from the outside I suppose. Invading a property people actively live in = The police comes quickly to throw the invaders out Invading a property that been empty for years where the owner refuses to either rent out or sell it = Harder to get them out, for obvious reasons.
    - zrn900 2y ago
      > That's why in decent countries you can get them curb-stomped and their teeth kicked-in for invading a property. Yeah. Decent countries like the US, and you end up with 99% of the population being unable to buy a house. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housing-prices/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housi... Lol at the delirium of you people's mentality. You don't know what 'decency' is. If that's decent, literally f*ck that.
      - zrn900 2y ago
        Its crazy how people downvote uncomfortable info and statistics as if it makes them go away...
- zrn900 2y ago
  Who are these 'Spanish new' people... Like someone else said, its debatable whether these people were the 'small property owner' you speak about - as okupas scout the places and people before occupying and occupying the houses of working-class people who own one home is something not tolerated by the community. That said, yes, its possible that an actual single-home owner family from working class may end up with okupas in their home occasionally. But that's a negligible price to pay in return for preventing real estate sharks like those in the US from scooping up housing to profit by screwing everyone over. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housing-prices/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housi...
jgeada 2y ago
Paraphrasing a prior discussion about why short selling exists in the stock market: it is all about price discovery. As a property owner you can keep your property empty seeking a better rent value, but this forces you to realize that there is a risk to keeping the place unused and maybe accepting lower price would be better overall.

by zrn900 2y ago

betaby 2y ago

> Both the legitimate okupas and illegitimate 'professional' okupas do serve the purpose of forcing the real estate owners to actually USE their real estate instead of being able to let them sit empty. Total nonsense, Spanish new recently reported the case when couple went for 3 months trip only to find their apartment squatted. Spain has no property rights for smaller folks.

diggan 2y ago
That's anecdotal though... How many of the current okupas happen in other's primary residence? Would be considered trespassing in those cases and a lot easier to get rid of them, compared to the other cases.
- piuantiderp 2y ago
  Lmao, that's wishful thinking. That's why in decent countries you can get them curb-stomped and their teeth kicked-in for invading a property.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > Lmao, that's wishful thinking. It's literally not. Maybe if you'd actually experience the situation yourself here you'd know about the differences. But alas, hard to understand from the outside I suppose. Invading a property people actively live in = The police comes quickly to throw the invaders out Invading a property that been empty for years where the owner refuses to either rent out or sell it = Harder to get them out, for obvious reasons.
  - zrn900 2y ago
    > That's why in decent countries you can get them curb-stomped and their teeth kicked-in for invading a property. Yeah. Decent countries like the US, and you end up with 99% of the population being unable to buy a house. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housing-prices/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housi... Lol at the delirium of you people's mentality. You don't know what 'decency' is. If that's decent, literally f*ck that.
    - zrn900 2y ago
      Its crazy how people downvote uncomfortable info and statistics as if it makes them go away...
zrn900 2y ago
Who are these 'Spanish new' people... Like someone else said, its debatable whether these people were the 'small property owner' you speak about - as okupas scout the places and people before occupying and occupying the houses of working-class people who own one home is something not tolerated by the community. That said, yes, its possible that an actual single-home owner family from working class may end up with okupas in their home occasionally. But that's a negligible price to pay in return for preventing real estate sharks like those in the US from scooping up housing to profit by screwing everyone over. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housing-prices/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housi...

jgeada 2y ago

Paraphrasing a prior discussion about why short selling exists in the stock market: it is all about price discovery. As a property owner you can keep your property empty seeking a better rent value, but this forces you to realize that there is a risk to keeping the place unused and maybe accepting lower price would be better overall.