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The extra interesting wrinkle here is that each of the Burger Kings in the straight line are associated with an appearance of the Burger King himself explicitly

The extra interesting wrinkle here is that each of the Burger Kings in the straight line are associated with an appearance of the Burger King himself explicitly asking for a shrine in the location, while the others are mostly random franchises stuck up by someone who decided they would like a fast food restaurant here and it might as well be a Burger King. (i. e. Mont Saint Michele the bishop who saw St. Michael originally refused to construct the shrine because he wasn't sure of the veracity of the vision. It was only after he was wounded by St. Michael's sword and the wound refused to heal that he went to establish the shrine. And only then did the wound closed up.) Make of that what you will.

jvanderbot 2y ago
That's neat! However, if each burger king was so enshrined by king burger, then there would again be nothing interesting. So, were these the only sites that were selected in that way? Second, is this a post-hoc story we told about the shrines (perhaps to avoid destruction / re-purposing by a greedy local lord?)
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
  Put another way, if there are 10,000 shrines to this one saint around Europe, the probability that 7 will randomly be in a straight line on the Mercator projection is a lot higher than if there are <10.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    10^-8 compared to -16?
    - pclmulqdq 2y ago
      I don't think it's that low. The number of coincidences will rise exponentially with the number of churches. You also have to account for the fact that there are something like 1000 prominent Catholic saints, and 10's of usable map projections, etc.
      - lambdaone 2y ago
        See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignments_of_random_points https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignments_of_random_points for a thorough treatment of this topic, with citations to the published literature.
pyrale 2y ago
> are associated with an appearance of the Burger King himself explicitly asking for a shrine in the location ...According to the guy trying to sell you a big mac or whatever they are called there.
- PeterCorless 2y ago
  Whoppers. And yes, they are trying to sell you a whopper of a tale.
  - SargeDebian 2y ago
    Judging from the ingredients, the Big King is more comparable.
  - lrem 2y ago
    Your information is out of date. EU recently reaffirmed the Irish ruling, so we can expect this to spread: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/like-a-big-mac-but-juicier-burger-king-trolls-mcdonald-s-1.3778695 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/lik...
- sonoffett 2y ago
  Royal with cheese
  - Ylpertnodi 2y ago
    Another 'e' is required in this sentence.
  - Ylpertnodi 2y ago
    Another 'e' is required in this sentence.
    - throwaway211 2y ago
      Anothere 'e' is required in this sentence.
empath75 2y ago
The level of credulity displayed here is pretty amusing. but just to back that up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skellig_Michael#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skellig_Michael#History Not a cathedral, No mention of an appearance of St Michael, and the monastery predates the dedication to him (it?) by several centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount Not a cathedral, site predates dedication to michael. No mention of an appearance of michael. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont-Saint-Michel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont-Saint-Michel This one has a story of an appearance, still not a cathedral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacra_di_San_Michele https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacra_di_San_Michele Not a cathedral, does have a story about an appearance, but that site significantly predates that appearance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Michele_Arcangelo,_Perugia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Michele_Arcangelo,_Perugia Pre christian temple that was converted, not a cathedral Taxiarchi Michail Monastary, not a cathedral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_Monastery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_Monastery Not even dedicated to michael.
- svieira 2y ago
  1. Shrines, not cathedrals. 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount#Folklore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount#Folklore - "There are popular claims of a tradition that the Archangel Michael appeared before local fishermen on the mount in the 5th century AD.[44] But in fact this is a modern myth. The earliest appearance of it is in a version by John Mirk, copying details of the medieval legend for Mont-Saint-Michel from the Golden Legend.[45] The folk-story was examined and found to be based on a 15th-century misunderstanding by Max Muller."
verandaguy 2y ago
> an appearance of the Burger King himself explicitly asking for a shrine in the location Is this canonically BK lore?
- thret 2y ago
  Not _yet_
mock-possum 2y ago
I mean… it’s fake, obviously. Seeing visions of dead saints and being wounded and unable to heal until a shrine was built is all made up. None of that is real, that’s medieval superstition.

jvanderbot 2y ago

That's neat! However, if each burger king was so enshrined by king burger, then there would again be nothing interesting. So, were these the only sites that were selected in that way? Second, is this a post-hoc story we told about the shrines (perhaps to avoid destruction / re-purposing by a greedy local lord?)

pclmulqdq 2y ago
Put another way, if there are 10,000 shrines to this one saint around Europe, the probability that 7 will randomly be in a straight line on the Mercator projection is a lot higher than if there are <10.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  10^-8 compared to -16?
  - pclmulqdq 2y ago
    I don't think it's that low. The number of coincidences will rise exponentially with the number of churches. You also have to account for the fact that there are something like 1000 prominent Catholic saints, and 10's of usable map projections, etc.
    - lambdaone 2y ago
      See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignments_of_random_points https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignments_of_random_points for a thorough treatment of this topic, with citations to the published literature.

pyrale 2y ago

> are associated with an appearance of the Burger King himself explicitly asking for a shrine in the location ...According to the guy trying to sell you a big mac or whatever they are called there.

PeterCorless 2y ago
Whoppers. And yes, they are trying to sell you a whopper of a tale.
- SargeDebian 2y ago
  Judging from the ingredients, the Big King is more comparable.
- lrem 2y ago
  Your information is out of date. EU recently reaffirmed the Irish ruling, so we can expect this to spread: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/like-a-big-mac-but-juicier-burger-king-trolls-mcdonald-s-1.3778695 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/lik...
sonoffett 2y ago
Royal with cheese
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago
  Another 'e' is required in this sentence.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago
  Another 'e' is required in this sentence.
  - throwaway211 2y ago
    Anothere 'e' is required in this sentence.

empath75 2y ago

The level of credulity displayed here is pretty amusing. but just to back that up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skellig_Michael#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skellig_Michael#History Not a cathedral, No mention of an appearance of St Michael, and the monastery predates the dedication to him (it?) by several centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount Not a cathedral, site predates dedication to michael. No mention of an appearance of michael. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont-Saint-Michel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont-Saint-Michel This one has a story of an appearance, still not a cathedral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacra_di_San_Michele https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacra_di_San_Michele Not a cathedral, does have a story about an appearance, but that site significantly predates that appearance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Michele_Arcangelo,_Perugia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Michele_Arcangelo,_Perugia Pre christian temple that was converted, not a cathedral Taxiarchi Michail Monastary, not a cathedral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_Monastery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_Monastery Not even dedicated to michael.

svieira 2y ago
1. Shrines, not cathedrals. 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount#Folklore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount#Folklore - "There are popular claims of a tradition that the Archangel Michael appeared before local fishermen on the mount in the 5th century AD.[44] But in fact this is a modern myth. The earliest appearance of it is in a version by John Mirk, copying details of the medieval legend for Mont-Saint-Michel from the Golden Legend.[45] The folk-story was examined and found to be based on a 15th-century misunderstanding by Max Muller."

verandaguy 2y ago

> an appearance of the Burger King himself explicitly asking for a shrine in the location Is this canonically BK lore?

thret 2y ago
Not _yet_

mock-possum 2y ago

I mean… it’s fake, obviously. Seeing visions of dead saints and being wounded and unable to heal until a shrine was built is all made up. None of that is real, that’s medieval superstition.