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> programming wasn’t even a “real job” (early 1980s) This made me laugh. You young-uns! I earned my first money for programming in 1970. I wrote, in IBM 360 as

> programming wasn’t even a “real job” (early 1980s) This made me laugh. You young-uns! I earned my first money for programming in 1970. I wrote, in IBM 360 assembly language, a "subroutine" to compute square-root, using a Chebechev polynomial to get a close approximation, and two iterations of Newton's algorithm to get the required precision. I got a job with Control Data Corp (as a COBOL programmer) a year or so later. But the real point of my laugh is that real jobs in programming probably started in the early 1950s.

gavinhoward 2y ago
Author here. Yeah, I know. That's why I put it in quotes. Also, I rushed this post out; I didn't intend to see it here.
velcrovan 2y ago
"real" here can be shorthand for "popularly recognized", e.g. "pretty much everyone recognizes it as a useful vocation and has a general idea what it involves". It's not to say you couldn't get paid to do it in 1955. But if in 1955 you told someone at the hair salon or the bar that you were a "programmer", you would get funny looks ≈ 100% of the time.
- dkarl 2y ago
  They would probably think you handled programming for a local movie theater, arts organization, performance venue, or something like that. But my guess is they would find it an odd way to say it.
- ravenstine 2y ago
  My dad was just talking to me about his experiences going to school and college in the 70s and, while he learned to use FORTRAN on a time-shared mainframe, programming or computer science as a career path wasn't advertised to him as a possible career path. Most administrators and guidance counselors at the time probably didn't understand those fields yet. Might have been different if my dad went to Berkeley, but it would not surprise me if most of the education didn't see programming as "real" yet. Heck, the web was almost brand new when I was in elementary school, and there was only one teacher who decided to take the initiative and teach kids HTML. He wasn't even my normal teacher, and I think I kind of just got pulled into it for some reason. In any case, I carried those skills he taught me all the way into adulthood, and I'm a web developer today! If he didn't host that class, I might not have ever bothered learning about Web technology. Otherwise, it wasn't like computer skills were part of the curriculum beyond learning to type.
  - vincent-manis 2y ago
    Weird. When I was in Grade 12 in 1967, someone from IBM came to our school to talk about computing careers. I graduated in the first B.Sc. class in computer science at the University of British Columbia in 1971. Virtually everyone I knew in the class had a computing job on graduation (I didn't, apart from a part-time job, because I wanted to do grad studies). Maybe Vancouver wasn't then the backwater we thought it was.
- herodotus 2y ago
  Maybe. At CDC I my job title was Systems Analyst.

gavinhoward 2y ago

Author here. Yeah, I know. That's why I put it in quotes. Also, I rushed this post out; I didn't intend to see it here.

velcrovan 2y ago

"real" here can be shorthand for "popularly recognized", e.g. "pretty much everyone recognizes it as a useful vocation and has a general idea what it involves". It's not to say you couldn't get paid to do it in 1955. But if in 1955 you told someone at the hair salon or the bar that you were a "programmer", you would get funny looks ≈ 100% of the time.

dkarl 2y ago
They would probably think you handled programming for a local movie theater, arts organization, performance venue, or something like that. But my guess is they would find it an odd way to say it.
ravenstine 2y ago
My dad was just talking to me about his experiences going to school and college in the 70s and, while he learned to use FORTRAN on a time-shared mainframe, programming or computer science as a career path wasn't advertised to him as a possible career path. Most administrators and guidance counselors at the time probably didn't understand those fields yet. Might have been different if my dad went to Berkeley, but it would not surprise me if most of the education didn't see programming as "real" yet. Heck, the web was almost brand new when I was in elementary school, and there was only one teacher who decided to take the initiative and teach kids HTML. He wasn't even my normal teacher, and I think I kind of just got pulled into it for some reason. In any case, I carried those skills he taught me all the way into adulthood, and I'm a web developer today! If he didn't host that class, I might not have ever bothered learning about Web technology. Otherwise, it wasn't like computer skills were part of the curriculum beyond learning to type.
- vincent-manis 2y ago
  Weird. When I was in Grade 12 in 1967, someone from IBM came to our school to talk about computing careers. I graduated in the first B.Sc. class in computer science at the University of British Columbia in 1971. Virtually everyone I knew in the class had a computing job on graduation (I didn't, apart from a part-time job, because I wanted to do grad studies). Maybe Vancouver wasn't then the backwater we thought it was.
herodotus 2y ago
Maybe. At CDC I my job title was Systems Analyst.