I find it tiresome that I have given you 2 examples of established propaganda, there really is no debate as to whether or not these are considered propaganda, t

I find it tiresome that I have given you 2 examples of established propaganda, there really is no debate as to whether or not these are considered propaganda, that do not fit your definition and you continue to ignore those. Yes propaganda tends to be negative, but my point (again with examples to back up my point) is that it does not have to be. You claim others do not see it that way, but that is obviously not true. Or we would not consider Rosy the Riveter as propaganda. It does not fit your definition. Ignoring that there are examples of propaganda does not make your definition correct. The reality is these words are murky, what is the line between advertising and propaganda. and similar comparisons. But I will die on this hill and it is well established by this point, propaganda does not have to be negative. Unless you are going to acknowledge rosy the riveter and either explain how that is not propaganda (which for the record you would be in the minority with that opinion) or explain how it was negative or misleading I see no point in continuing this conversation.