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I often use Arduino (or AT Mega/Tiny) purely for it's 5V and very robust GPIO pins. I can short circuit an Arduino pin for days, or (attempt to) pull 3 or 4 ti

I often use Arduino (or AT Mega/Tiny) purely for it's 5V and very robust GPIO pins. I can short circuit an Arduino pin for days, or (attempt to) pull 3 or 4 times the rated current from them - and they just keep on rocking. I've even accidentally hit them with 7.2V or even 12V on the GPIO and not had them let the magic smoke out. You only have to look sideways past a 5V rail at as RasPi to kill it, and ESP aren't a heap better. If I can get all the code I need onto an Arduino/AVR, I'll use one. If I need more complex code than I can run on an Arduino but still need GPIO (especially anything 5V tolerant) I'll use an ESP or RasPi (or some other Linux SOC board) with an Arduino (or other AVR) for GPIO. At least for the prototyping stage when I'm using breadboards and moving wires around - if I'm building something permanent (or at least semi permanent) I'll sometimes build a version 2 with level shifters to deal with 3.3-5V stuff, but mostly only once I've got to the "prototype that's got to the PCB stage" iterations. I've almost never killed an Arduino, but I've killer too many RasPis and way way too many ESPs.

cantours 2y ago
Pretty much all ICs these days have builtin ESD protection which usually involves current steering diodes to supply rails. So if you limit the input current (typically <5mA, and assuming the steered-to rail uses at least 5mA to sink it) it will survive any voltage. (Of course if it's a low power design or the device is off this wont work that well, then you want external clamping) I have tested 24V AC applied to an stm32f0 pin with a 10K series resistor and it survives that indefinitetly.
- contingencies 2y ago
  I have tested 24V AC applied to an stm32f0 pin with a 10K series resistor and it survives that indefinitetly. Which mode was the pin in? I'm not an STM person but my understanding is that most MCU pins are tri or at least multi-mode, if you have the wrong mode set it's effectively isolated. Edit: Can't reply to child. Schmitt trigger circuitry is disabled if pin is in analog mode or is an ADC pin according to https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32f071cb.pdf https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32f071cb.pdf page 59 .. could affect sensitivity ... perhaps there exist other mode-related influences, too.
  - cantours 2y ago
    Inputs which is the default in f0 series. Structure is: esd cell -> optional pull ups/down -> schmitt trigger.
  - kragen 2y ago
    in most cases diode clamping to the rails is still active though? and that's what sinks those 2.4 milliamps and keeps your gate oxides from avalanching. i think the stm32 datasheet only guarantees withstanding 0.5 milliamps of such 'injection current' per pin there do exist cmos chips with pins without input clamping diodes but they are rather exotic usually
GianFabien 2y ago
I've spent years working with TTL so 5V is just more convenient. Besides USB is 5VDC as well. When breadboarding, more than once I've mixed up 3.3V and 5V domains with dire consequences - always on the 3.3V side. Unless I really need WiFi, I prefer to go with ATmega. Once you get used to writing structured assembly language, you can get so much more functionality fit within flash memory.
- genter 2y ago
  A lot of the pins on STM32 are 5 volt tolerant (and almost all of them are on the smaller devices).

cantours 2y ago

Pretty much all ICs these days have builtin ESD protection which usually involves current steering diodes to supply rails. So if you limit the input current (typically <5mA, and assuming the steered-to rail uses at least 5mA to sink it) it will survive any voltage. (Of course if it's a low power design or the device is off this wont work that well, then you want external clamping) I have tested 24V AC applied to an stm32f0 pin with a 10K series resistor and it survives that indefinitetly.

contingencies 2y ago
I have tested 24V AC applied to an stm32f0 pin with a 10K series resistor and it survives that indefinitetly. Which mode was the pin in? I'm not an STM person but my understanding is that most MCU pins are tri or at least multi-mode, if you have the wrong mode set it's effectively isolated. Edit: Can't reply to child. Schmitt trigger circuitry is disabled if pin is in analog mode or is an ADC pin according to https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32f071cb.pdf https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32f071cb.pdf page 59 .. could affect sensitivity ... perhaps there exist other mode-related influences, too.
- cantours 2y ago
  Inputs which is the default in f0 series. Structure is: esd cell -> optional pull ups/down -> schmitt trigger.
- kragen 2y ago
  in most cases diode clamping to the rails is still active though? and that's what sinks those 2.4 milliamps and keeps your gate oxides from avalanching. i think the stm32 datasheet only guarantees withstanding 0.5 milliamps of such 'injection current' per pin there do exist cmos chips with pins without input clamping diodes but they are rather exotic usually

GianFabien 2y ago

I've spent years working with TTL so 5V is just more convenient. Besides USB is 5VDC as well. When breadboarding, more than once I've mixed up 3.3V and 5V domains with dire consequences - always on the 3.3V side. Unless I really need WiFi, I prefer to go with ATmega. Once you get used to writing structured assembly language, you can get so much more functionality fit within flash memory.

genter 2y ago
A lot of the pins on STM32 are 5 volt tolerant (and almost all of them are on the smaller devices).