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uhm, yes seriously if you are not from the US that is actually kinda sorta what it looks like. You functionally have nothing in the US in relevant politics that

uhm, yes seriously if you are not from the US that is actually kinda sorta what it looks like. You functionally have nothing in the US in relevant politics that is looking left of center to most people from say western europe and the "rival" 24 hour news networks reflect that. I am well aware that that is not what I looks like to people from the US.

jay-barronville 2y ago
> uhm, yes seriously if you are not from the US that is actually kinda sorta what it looks like […] Clearly, the context is within the U.S. Why use a straw man to respond to my question? I wouldn’t enter a topic about Canadians to talk about Brazilians. Very bizarre. (I’m very well aware that American politics is quite different from the rest of the world. E.g., a neoliberal like Hillary Clinton is considered a leftist in America, which wouldn’t fly in most of the rest of the world.)
- dang 2y ago
  Could you please stop posting flamebait and/or political-ideological battle comments? You've unfortunately been doing it a lot lately. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
  - jay-barronville 2y ago
    My contributions to this thread started here [0]. I made a rather simple comment there. The thread got more ideological as more folks commented. If other folks post comments that are rooted in their ideology, why am I being personally targeted for responding to them? (I don’t want to assume anything, so I’m asking this genuinely.) For the record, if, for whatever reason, you just don’t want me here, as much as I love this community, I’m happy to leave, because I’d rather do that than have my views silenced because they’re unpopular or be targeted like this for responding in kind to others who openly share their own views. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591011
    - dang 2y ago
      That wasn't a simple comment—that was clearly a flamewar comment, guaranteed to produce more of the same and likely worse. You're not being targeted personally and we don't take ideological sides nor care what your (or anyone else's) views are. If other people are breaking the site guidelines too, and their posts don't look moderated, it doesn't follow that moderators have deemed it ok. That's a gigantic non sequitur. Far more likely is that we just didn't see it: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=likeliest%20explanation%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... > The thread got more ideological as more folks commented. In my experience, the feeling "other people just started behaving badly for reasons that had nothing to do with my post" is generally not very reliable. It does happen sometimes of course. But it's more likely that you (I don't mean you personally—I mean any of us in this position) are underestimating the degree of provocation in what you posted. Funnily enough I was just writing about this in a different context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40601722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40601722.
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      - Kye 2y ago
        It reminds me of The Missing Missing Reasons: https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-mis... It's hard to learn to recognize one's own part in the way things are and set ego aside, but it's one of those essential growth milestones that makes everything better.
      - jay-barronville 2y ago
        > That wasn't a simple comment—that was clearly a flamewar comment, guaranteed to produce more of the same and likely worse. I’ve reread my initial comment [0] probably a couple dozen times (at least) trying to see why it’d be considered a flamewar comment and I just don’t see it. What am I missing? Is it me calling the text I quoted an understatement? Or is it the last part where I object to the consistent negative rhetoric re Elon I see on HN? I have a feeling it might be the latter, since it specifically calls out the community. Do you mind clarifying so I can understand? > You're not being targeted personally and we don't take ideological sides nor care what your (or anyone else's) views are. If other people are breaking the site guidelines too, and their posts don't look moderated, it doesn't follow that moderators have deemed it ok. You’re generally pretty fair from what I’ve seen (and also from communicating with you via email), so I believe you and I appreciate that. Thank you for making that clear though. > […] it's more likely that you (I don't mean you personally—I mean any of us in this position) are underestimating the degree of provocation in what you posted. Fair enough—I’ll keep that in mind moving forward. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591011
peterfirefly 2y ago
What would you call Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders? Practically all of the Congressional Black Caucus? I am European and they look very left of center to me.
- AngryData 2y ago
  They are the most left congress members elected and I would consider them left, but they are a very small minority of the democratic party.
- blkhawk 2y ago
  As AngryData said - they are the left edge of the democratic party. A party that is sorta center right? There is a limited amount they can do in that enviroment and they do not turn the party left leaning in any way.

jay-barronville 2y ago

> uhm, yes seriously if you are not from the US that is actually kinda sorta what it looks like […] Clearly, the context is within the U.S. Why use a straw man to respond to my question? I wouldn’t enter a topic about Canadians to talk about Brazilians. Very bizarre. (I’m very well aware that American politics is quite different from the rest of the world. E.g., a neoliberal like Hillary Clinton is considered a leftist in America, which wouldn’t fly in most of the rest of the world.)

dang 2y ago
Could you please stop posting flamebait and/or political-ideological battle comments? You've unfortunately been doing it a lot lately. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- jay-barronville 2y ago
  My contributions to this thread started here [0]. I made a rather simple comment there. The thread got more ideological as more folks commented. If other folks post comments that are rooted in their ideology, why am I being personally targeted for responding to them? (I don’t want to assume anything, so I’m asking this genuinely.) For the record, if, for whatever reason, you just don’t want me here, as much as I love this community, I’m happy to leave, because I’d rather do that than have my views silenced because they’re unpopular or be targeted like this for responding in kind to others who openly share their own views. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591011
  - dang 2y ago
    That wasn't a simple comment—that was clearly a flamewar comment, guaranteed to produce more of the same and likely worse. You're not being targeted personally and we don't take ideological sides nor care what your (or anyone else's) views are. If other people are breaking the site guidelines too, and their posts don't look moderated, it doesn't follow that moderators have deemed it ok. That's a gigantic non sequitur. Far more likely is that we just didn't see it: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=likeliest%20explanation%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... > The thread got more ideological as more folks commented. In my experience, the feeling "other people just started behaving badly for reasons that had nothing to do with my post" is generally not very reliable. It does happen sometimes of course. But it's more likely that you (I don't mean you personally—I mean any of us in this position) are underestimating the degree of provocation in what you posted. Funnily enough I was just writing about this in a different context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40601722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40601722.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - Kye 2y ago
      It reminds me of The Missing Missing Reasons: https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-mis... It's hard to learn to recognize one's own part in the way things are and set ego aside, but it's one of those essential growth milestones that makes everything better.
    - jay-barronville 2y ago
      > That wasn't a simple comment—that was clearly a flamewar comment, guaranteed to produce more of the same and likely worse. I’ve reread my initial comment [0] probably a couple dozen times (at least) trying to see why it’d be considered a flamewar comment and I just don’t see it. What am I missing? Is it me calling the text I quoted an understatement? Or is it the last part where I object to the consistent negative rhetoric re Elon I see on HN? I have a feeling it might be the latter, since it specifically calls out the community. Do you mind clarifying so I can understand? > You're not being targeted personally and we don't take ideological sides nor care what your (or anyone else's) views are. If other people are breaking the site guidelines too, and their posts don't look moderated, it doesn't follow that moderators have deemed it ok. You’re generally pretty fair from what I’ve seen (and also from communicating with you via email), so I believe you and I appreciate that. Thank you for making that clear though. > […] it's more likely that you (I don't mean you personally—I mean any of us in this position) are underestimating the degree of provocation in what you posted. Fair enough—I’ll keep that in mind moving forward. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40591011

peterfirefly 2y ago

What would you call Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders? Practically all of the Congressional Black Caucus? I am European and they look very left of center to me.

AngryData 2y ago
They are the most left congress members elected and I would consider them left, but they are a very small minority of the democratic party.
blkhawk 2y ago
As AngryData said - they are the left edge of the democratic party. A party that is sorta center right? There is a limited amount they can do in that enviroment and they do not turn the party left leaning in any way.