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Le vieux Paris n'est plus
- johncoltrane 2y agoThat's "Périphérique", not "Périférique".
- baobun 2y agoSpoken like a true Parisian!
- galaxyLogic 2y agoYes, no true Scotsman would say so :-)
- astrobe_ 2y agoYes, it's the same greek root as "peripheral". A "périphérique" is a main road tha goes around the city. Paris' peripherique is called Le périphérique because it is famous a probably the largest in France. TFA opens with somewhat weird mentions to immigration waves, which become more concerning when we learn the author works at Le Point, a publication that favors right wing political points of view, but they eventually fairly describe (I think) the physical and demographic evolution of the metropolis. FWIW "immigrant-descended communities" is the politically correct way to call people that don't have Nos ancêtres les Gaulois* - "our fathers the Gauls", is a phrase that refers to what was taught in schools until approx. the generation of Boomers, and has become a cliché as it has become more and more untrue - if it ever was true. It can be interpreted as racist in specific cases.
- kergonath 2y ago> TFA opens with somewhat weird mentions to immigration waves, which become more concerning when we learn the author works at Le Point, a publication that favors right wing political points of view, but they eventually fairly describe (I think) the physical and demographic evolution of the metropolis. Let’s not get carried away. Le Point is fairly mainstream liberal magazine. Yes, it is right-wing, but it is not Valeurs Actuelles.
- astrobe_ 2y agoLe Point has been criticized for anti-muslin tendencies by anti-racist associations [1] among other criticism about dishonest behavior. Its director of publication have been found guilty of libel against Chinese people, yet he is still employed by Le Point as of today. Just because other journals are worse doesn't makes Le Point a respectable journal. This is a typical case of shifting the baseline or "normalization of deviance" [2]. [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Point#Accusations_d'islamophobie https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Point#Accusations_d'islamop... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shifting_baseline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shifting_baseline
- ofrzeta 2y agoThat reminded my of the Périphérique ghost rider "Black Prince" that became famous some years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH1-tieh9rA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH1-tieh9rA
- hsyehbeidhh 2y ago[dead]
- DeathArrow 2y agoParis might still exist but the people who built it are no more. For me it's weird to visit Paris. Maybe I've read to much French literature which set some expectations. Such as Paris being inhabited by mostly Parisians. People who lived there for generations. Is Paris still Paris without its people? For me it isn't. It's mostly a collection of buildings, places, corners, parks, monuments, historical places, a large museum of what was once Paris. It's the same way I feel about Venice. It's nice, but it's mostly a museum.
- seszett 2y agoYou see Paris as a museum because you visit it as a tourist. I see it as a business place that's cumbersome to reach and navigate because half of the clients I have to visit are there. I have visited Paris for tourism as well, but it's much more than that (for one thing, it's about a third of the GDP of France). As for true Parisians, they have been a minority for ages, there are famously more Bretons in Paris than in Brittany and true Parisians will always tell you that they are actually from Paris. That's not one of the new changes of Paris.
- galaxyLogic 2y agoI don't know about Paris, but I live in New York and I can see how it is both less and more than what tourists come there for. It is constantly changing including the people who live there. You can't really get a grip on it it is elusive. It is all around you but where? Tourists come there to find something which true New Yorkers themselves cannot find. But it makes me feel I'm not alone. I have the same destiny as everybody else. There's no us vs. them we're all in the same boat.
- petesergeant 2y agoFeels true of every big city? Certainly of London and Bangkok in which I’ve spent many years
- grondilu 2y agoFriendly reminder that "Paris syndrome" is a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
- DeathArrow 2y agoIt's worth to read the full poem: https://www.bonjourpoesie.fr/lesgrandsclassiques/poemes/charles_baudelaire/le_cygne https://www.bonjourpoesie.fr/lesgrandsclassiques/poemes/char...
- bsaul 2y agoNote that french people saying "inshallah" say it as a joke (they use this word for fun effect), which isn't the same as really adopting this word. As for arab-derived slang, i know a lot of parents who absolutely forbid their kids to use those words, and the kids only do it to rebel, or there again to sound "special". But they'll be extra careful ( and will be able to) stop speaking in this manner in a professional context. Which is to say, there's still a HUGE divide in the population, and the fact that the "french" part is using a few words from the other part shouldn't fool you into thinking that immigration is going well. Don't be surprised by the results in the upcoming EU poll.
- svara 2y ago> Note that french people saying "inshallah" say it as a joke (they use this word for fun effect), To be fair that is how a lot of new vocabulary ends up in the standard lexicon. Total tangent there's this thing in Japanese where a word ends up meaning one thing and also its opposite, due to being used ironically. Sometimes the original meaning is lost, sometimes it isn't. Like 貴様 (originally a honorific, now an insult) or 適当 meaning at the same time proper and sloppy.
- bradrn 2y ago> Total tangent there's this thing in Japanese where a word ends up meaning one thing and also its opposite, due to being used ironically This is quite common outside Japanese: e.g. in English, ‘wicked’ can be positive or negative.
- Mordisquitos 2y ago> Note that french people saying "inshallah" say it as a joke (they use this word for fun effect), which isn't the same as really adopting this word. I wonder if that's how Christian Spaniards started saying 'ojalá'[0] back in the day, before it became fully adopted into the language! [0] https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ojalá https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ojalá
- boudin 2y ago
- olivierduval 2y ago> This project points to what may be the biggest transformation yet: the opening up of Paris to its suburbs Actually, that's only the OFFICIAL truth (or an architect fantasm), as much as saying that limiting the number and speed of cars on the Peripherique will make better living conditions for those living there... Truth is: the Peripherique is largely more used by the suburbs (even to go from one to the other, east and north to west and south mostly) than by Parisians. The plans on the Peripherique will mostly impact badly these people on their day-to-day but... the Mayor Hidalgo think that 1) it will help her to be reelected by the "bo-bo" (bourgeois boheme - left upper class) living in Paris (that has been too costly for other population) 2) it will leave a "testament" of her Mayorship "in the stone" (a bit like Mitterand did with Palais du Louvres, Arche de la Defense and so...) and turn Paris into a tourist dream (like Venice) more than an economic and social capital
- g15jv2dp 2y agoStudies show time and again that cars in Paris are only used by the richest people. I live in the suburbs and I frankly don't care if big SUVs are banned from Paris, in fact I encourage it. I go to work by RER and metro, like everyone else.
- tromp 2y ago> Even “Nos Ancêtres les Gaulois” is still there, although it no longer has “vin à volonté.” Google Maps shows it permanently closed since 2022 though [1]. [1] https://maps.app.goo.gl/6jCdJFDuoi4AmtbQ6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/6jCdJFDuoi4AmtbQ6
- pvaldes 2y agoParis has been invaded by non native Parisiens, scums and space scoundrels. And this is what you achieve, you fools. You have been warned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3sSGZlWLP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3sSGZlWLP4
- treetalker 2y agoGreat video. Very “The Dude dreaming of the dancing bowling pins” vibes.
- g15jv2dp 2y agoIs there a word like "weeaboo" but for France?
- thriftwy 2y agoI always wonder what are the mechanisms that let recent immigrants from the global south settle in the capitals thah the local white collar youth has hard time affording.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoI am from one such community, so I can say what I think are the key factors here: 1) Refugee / Skilled worker policy combine to give communities from the global south a healthy mix of size in numbers and money to support many of them. Skilled workers from these communities are really generous and spend a lot to maintain their communities and community centers / the most unfortunate among them. 2) There is a much more collectivist mindset which is actually very helpful in a freer, more free market system. Many global south countries are less free in terms of business. But Western countries are better about these things. Communities abroad get along when the same people might not have been friends back at home, this cohesiveness lets them open and patronize businesses in the community better. These people can then save on costs (rent, food costs, etc.) while putting that money into collective asset control or other money making systems. 3) It's easier to find the community with Internet. In the past you would need to find or know someone when moving abroad and the options were limited. Nowadays a religious center, cultural center, or other association office or even just scanning the map for restaurant names and clusters can allow you to find your community easily from millions of miles away. In short, local white collar youth don't have the same collective mindset with each other, and cannot grow by adding more numbers to their ranks, so these are the main differences I feel.
- thriftwy 2y agoSo as I see it, local white collar background citizens are either stretched too thin trying to maintain their peak life style, or maybe not stretched but also not sharing enough. Perhaps the capitalistic system also does a disservice by encouraging them to keep funds in bad investment vehicles (stock, deposits) instead of social capital or a spare home.
- aprilthird2021 2y ago