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Did you just say HOAs for all in order to have ownership of apartment units?

• inetknght 2y ago
  HOAs are a completely awful concept.
  • SoftTalker 2y ago
    No they aren't. Some are awful, because awful people get on the boards. But an HOA is just a management organization for all the shared property and amenities in a neigborhood or condominium development. Some people like living with well defined rules, mandatory property and exterior appearance standards, some people don't. If you don't like the idea of an HOA then don't buy property that's subject to one.
  • WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
    > HOAs are a completely awful concept. Having served on an HOA board for years, I can mostly verify this. There isn't a lot of overlap between wise, community minded people and the people who strongly desire to be on a board. The boards that have lost their way are dominated by people who really want to be there.
  • nothercastle 2y ago
    Only because there isn’t clear regulation on what they can and cannot do so they tend to overreach
  • silisili 2y ago
    Having lived in like 9 different places now, I completely keep flip flopping on them. It only takes one neighbor burning tires while doing burnouts, drag racing, and shooting rifles at all hours of the day to seek sane people to live around (true story). Or a lady who refuses to cut her yard, so you get mice and snakes everywhere in your yard. In the nonHOA places I lived, 3 were awful, and three were mostly fine. On the other hand with HOA, having another entity to tell you what to do with your large purchase doesn't sit right with me. On paper they're not so bad. My experiences with them(three times) have been completely incident free, plus got access to a nice pool and garbage collection. But you'll read a lot of no doubt true horror stories that show how things can go awry.
    • simfree 2y ago
      Functional municipal governments handle garbage collection, building recreation centers with pools, cleaning up green spaces when people dump tires, mowing overgrown sidewalks and controlling vermin. I've personally had my city pick up tires from a green space (also recorded the company that dumped 'em), cut overgrown yards and sidewalks, and they consistently collect my trash. Why would someone with a functional local government ever entertain the straightjacket that an HOA enforces on its residents? It's not their business what color I paint my house, where I put my basketball hoop, or what size and style hedge I grow around my front yard.
      • silisili 2y ago
        The simple answer to your question I think is that the vast, vast majority of the US does not have a functional local government that does any of those things. I remember calling the police about the rifle firing(this was not on acreage), and they acted like I was annoying them! From what one developer in Florida told me, the local government doesn't want to pay for roads, services, or amenities for any new developments, so requires they set up an HOA to cover it. Seeing as over 80% of new build homes are in an HOA, I tend to believe that.
        • WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
          > the vast, vast majority of the US does not have a functional local government that does any of those things. Not very true for municipalities with above minimal population. It is true that some local govs are less funded, ergo less effective. But the trend is to do well with the resources available. > I remember calling the police Police are not code enforcement. > Florida told me, the local government doesn't want to pay for roads, services, or amenities for any new developments, I'm FL for 30 years. Local govs don't tax for neighborhood road improvements. They do tax for code enforcement. Residents get what they pay for and code enforcement is pretty good - responsive but not onerous. source: volunteered for code enforcement for 4 years
      • dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Functional municipal governments handle garbage collection, building recreation centers with pools, cleaning up green spaces when people dump tires, mowing overgrown sidewalks and controlling vermin. They don't generally do any of those but the first on private property, except maybe (for the cleanup tasks) after citing and fining the property owner for failing to do it in addition to charging them the cost of having it done, and they often do the first only under a contract with the property owner, so that with a shared structure with a common set of bins, the contract would need to be with an association responsible for the shared bins.
  • dragonwriter 2y ago
    HOA's that exist for the management of the common areas of a shared development and, when the development involves one or more multi-unit structures, for managing issues that relate to the shared structure are not an awful concept. HOA's whose charters allow them to, and who actually do, act to regulate things like the aesthetics or worse specifically negating functional utility of non-shared parts of the property when there are no structural or safety impacts to the share infrastructure are awful.
  • ryan_lane 2y ago
    HOAs for neighborhoods consisting of single-family housing are a nightmare. HOAs for co-ops are a necessity as you need to maintain the building, elevators, entryways, shared-spaces, etc.
• HWR_14 2y ago
  You need an HOA if you share ownership of a multiunit building. Someone has to maintain the elevator, lobby, roof etc.