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Is it possible you were similarly mistaken about FSD?

by martythemaniak 2y ago

llamaimperative 2y ago
FSD vs Waymo is not even close.
- spiderice 2y ago
  True. FSD works anywhere while Waymo works in a few square miles.
  - AlotOfReading 2y ago
    FSD is level 4 nowhere. The human is always responsible for driving.
- lopkeny12ko 2y ago
  Tell me then, what Tesla do you own? When's the last time you used FSD? What version did you use? And if your answer is "I don't own a Tesla" why should anyone take you seriously?
  - ra7 2y ago
    I own a Model 3 and have used FSD v12.3.x as recently as a month ago. I've also taken several Waymo rides in that time. I can confidently say it's not even in the same league as Waymo.
sefrost 2y ago
Maybe! I get quite a lot of Ubers here in Vancouver and they are almost exclusively Tesla. I don’t known if the “3d view” that is displayed on the screen in the dashboard is used by FSD or not; but if it is there is no way that could be safe for self driving cars. It’s so inaccurate! I could be wrong about their progress though, always happy to be corrected.
- martythemaniak 2y ago
  What you see in those cars is not FSD, but Autopilot that comes with every car. Autopilot is lane keeping + traffic aware cruise control plus a few small features like green light chimes and speed sign detection. FSD looks very different and you can see everything in the road and what the car is planning to do. There's some good YouTube channels where they test different versions of FSD in different situations, AIDRIVR does a good job, eg https://youtu.be/rMDNFLsXFEU?si=SHWAm24ZY3psnO4Z&t=136 https://youtu.be/rMDNFLsXFEU?si=SHWAm24ZY3psnO4Z&t=136. Nice thing about those channels is you can also look at old videos and see the rate of improvement. I had FSD for one month on my car and it was really impressive. There were plenty of disengagements, but they were all what I'd call "quality of life" issues. Car was too hesitant during blind lefts, or advanced lefts, car slowed down too much for speed bumps, it got into turn-only lanes later than I'd like, etc, etc. The hardest part of driving in my town is a 3 lane roundabout where upon exiting the roundabout you have to very quickly and confidently change 2 lanes in order to get on the highway, it handled it with ease. Overall, I would not buy it today, but didn't see any reason why they can't solve the issues I saw.

Is it possible you were similarly mistaken about FSD?

llamaimperative 2y ago

FSD vs Waymo is not even close.

spiderice 2y ago
True. FSD works anywhere while Waymo works in a few square miles.
- AlotOfReading 2y ago
  FSD is level 4 nowhere. The human is always responsible for driving.
lopkeny12ko 2y ago
Tell me then, what Tesla do you own? When's the last time you used FSD? What version did you use? And if your answer is "I don't own a Tesla" why should anyone take you seriously?
- ra7 2y ago
  I own a Model 3 and have used FSD v12.3.x as recently as a month ago. I've also taken several Waymo rides in that time. I can confidently say it's not even in the same league as Waymo.

sefrost 2y ago

Maybe! I get quite a lot of Ubers here in Vancouver and they are almost exclusively Tesla. I don’t known if the “3d view” that is displayed on the screen in the dashboard is used by FSD or not; but if it is there is no way that could be safe for self driving cars. It’s so inaccurate! I could be wrong about their progress though, always happy to be corrected.

martythemaniak 2y ago
What you see in those cars is not FSD, but Autopilot that comes with every car. Autopilot is lane keeping + traffic aware cruise control plus a few small features like green light chimes and speed sign detection. FSD looks very different and you can see everything in the road and what the car is planning to do. There's some good YouTube channels where they test different versions of FSD in different situations, AIDRIVR does a good job, eg https://youtu.be/rMDNFLsXFEU?si=SHWAm24ZY3psnO4Z&t=136 https://youtu.be/rMDNFLsXFEU?si=SHWAm24ZY3psnO4Z&t=136. Nice thing about those channels is you can also look at old videos and see the rate of improvement. I had FSD for one month on my car and it was really impressive. There were plenty of disengagements, but they were all what I'd call "quality of life" issues. Car was too hesitant during blind lefts, or advanced lefts, car slowed down too much for speed bumps, it got into turn-only lanes later than I'd like, etc, etc. The hardest part of driving in my town is a 3 lane roundabout where upon exiting the roundabout you have to very quickly and confidently change 2 lanes in order to get on the highway, it handled it with ease. Overall, I would not buy it today, but didn't see any reason why they can't solve the issues I saw.