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> sway opinion, get action, or similar when people may not be inclined a certain way on their own. This is tiresome and seems like it's in bad faith. Once mor

by ajross 2y ago

> sway opinion, get action, or similar when people may not be inclined a certain way on their own. This is tiresome and seems like it's in bad faith. Once more: that's just a definition for "argument". You can apply it to "propaganda" if you insist, but I can only repeat that this is not the way others interpret it. You don't go around calling your friends propagandists when they try to sway your opinion, so don't do it here just because you dislike seeing billboards by Jewish advocacy groups.

nerdjon 2y ago
I find it tiresome that I have given you 2 examples of established propaganda, there really is no debate as to whether or not these are considered propaganda, that do not fit your definition and you continue to ignore those. Yes propaganda tends to be negative, but my point (again with examples to back up my point) is that it does not have to be. You claim others do not see it that way, but that is obviously not true. Or we would not consider Rosy the Riveter as propaganda. It does not fit your definition. Ignoring that there are examples of propaganda does not make your definition correct. The reality is these words are murky, what is the line between advertising and propaganda. and similar comparisons. But I will die on this hill and it is well established by this point, propaganda does not have to be negative. Unless you are going to acknowledge rosy the riveter and either explain how that is not propaganda (which for the record you would be in the minority with that opinion) or explain how it was negative or misleading I see no point in continuing this conversation.
- ajross 2y ago
  The question isn't about your digressions and nitpickery about whatever definition you think I proposed (which I'm ignoring quite deliberately), it's whether a billboard by a non-profit can reasonably be considered "propaganda". And your insistence on digressions instead of defending that (IMHO ridiculous) notion is the part I called "bad faith" Just stop. JewBelong is a group of your fellow americans and you need to treat them like that and not call them propagandists as a way of dismissing their ideas. Your freakout here is everything wrong with Trumpist america, and I hate it.

by ajross 2y ago

nerdjon 2y ago

I find it tiresome that I have given you 2 examples of established propaganda, there really is no debate as to whether or not these are considered propaganda, that do not fit your definition and you continue to ignore those. Yes propaganda tends to be negative, but my point (again with examples to back up my point) is that it does not have to be. You claim others do not see it that way, but that is obviously not true. Or we would not consider Rosy the Riveter as propaganda. It does not fit your definition. Ignoring that there are examples of propaganda does not make your definition correct. The reality is these words are murky, what is the line between advertising and propaganda. and similar comparisons. But I will die on this hill and it is well established by this point, propaganda does not have to be negative. Unless you are going to acknowledge rosy the riveter and either explain how that is not propaganda (which for the record you would be in the minority with that opinion) or explain how it was negative or misleading I see no point in continuing this conversation.

ajross 2y ago
The question isn't about your digressions and nitpickery about whatever definition you think I proposed (which I'm ignoring quite deliberately), it's whether a billboard by a non-profit can reasonably be considered "propaganda". And your insistence on digressions instead of defending that (IMHO ridiculous) notion is the part I called "bad faith" Just stop. JewBelong is a group of your fellow americans and you need to treat them like that and not call them propagandists as a way of dismissing their ideas. Your freakout here is everything wrong with Trumpist america, and I hate it.