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> Jumping straight to the Linux Desktop deep end after using Windows for years is an unlikely change path for most. These arguments ignore the fact that most Wi

by amlib 2y ago

> Jumping straight to the Linux Desktop deep end after using Windows for years is an unlikely change path for most. These arguments ignore the fact that most Windows users have a lot of Windows-specific apps that they use, such as games. I think nowadays you would have a much worse experience switching from windows to mac, as you said, the user wants their apps and games to carry over, but you are actually going to have a much better time getting those to carry over to linux. Specially regarding games, just the fact that Steam runs almost any Windows game effortlessly on linux is a big deal. Meanwhile, Apple has made sure to burn all the bridges they could with game developers and game compatibility in the last decade or so.

Aurornis 2y ago
I think Linux Desktop users have become blinded to how much easier it is for the average person (not developer, command-line enthusiasts) to use Mac or Windows than Linux. I have Mac, Windows, and Linux machines that I use for different purposes. None of them has been perfect, but the amount of time I’ve lost fighting driver issues, weird upgrade quirks, software incompatibility problems, and other little loose ends over the users has been a magnitude worse on the Linux machines than anything else. In the moment it doesn’t really feel like much because it’s similar to daily work with Linux servers, but looking back it’s just so much more predictable to have basic things working on Mac or Windows than on Linux.
- kodexomega 2y ago
  I do mostly agree with this comment, although I would like to point out that one of the only reasons that MacOS has less driver issues is because it is mainly built for one type of device, Macs. Also, the upgrade quirks might come from the overlap in between dependencies of packages that don’t update at the same time as each other or the dependency, such as the qtile window manager, which can be easily fixed with using the Nix Package Manager, and the software incompatibility could be solved by using a Virtual Machine. Although, these solutions also have some quirks so they just might end up switching back anyway.
  - NikkiA 2y ago
    There's also the fact that 'oh, that doesn't work with macs' is an acceptable response from companies that should be making drivers.
- amlib 2y ago
  I agree linux has its shortcomings and on average is inferior to the trillion dollar backed alternatives, but I was focusing on countering the point of gaming that was made, which is for a fact much better on linux than on macos. You WILL have a better time gaming there. Anyway, we should all be glad how far linux has improved over the years and how it is a viable alternative to many use cases now. Hardware support used to be appalling and it used to be painful to use it for basic things like internet, video, music, games etc. Even developers had a rough time, with windows being the gold standard dev environment. But look at it now, linux is the gold standard dev environment, meanwhile microsoft is having to course correct and embed a copy of linux into windows, buy github and create a multiplatform text editor to try and lure developers back. I also think it's important people keep giving linux a chance every couple years, If it doesn't work for you now give it another chance 2 to 5 years from now, it might finally click.

by amlib 2y ago

Aurornis 2y ago

I think Linux Desktop users have become blinded to how much easier it is for the average person (not developer, command-line enthusiasts) to use Mac or Windows than Linux. I have Mac, Windows, and Linux machines that I use for different purposes. None of them has been perfect, but the amount of time I’ve lost fighting driver issues, weird upgrade quirks, software incompatibility problems, and other little loose ends over the users has been a magnitude worse on the Linux machines than anything else. In the moment it doesn’t really feel like much because it’s similar to daily work with Linux servers, but looking back it’s just so much more predictable to have basic things working on Mac or Windows than on Linux.

kodexomega 2y ago
I do mostly agree with this comment, although I would like to point out that one of the only reasons that MacOS has less driver issues is because it is mainly built for one type of device, Macs. Also, the upgrade quirks might come from the overlap in between dependencies of packages that don’t update at the same time as each other or the dependency, such as the qtile window manager, which can be easily fixed with using the Nix Package Manager, and the software incompatibility could be solved by using a Virtual Machine. Although, these solutions also have some quirks so they just might end up switching back anyway.
- NikkiA 2y ago
  There's also the fact that 'oh, that doesn't work with macs' is an acceptable response from companies that should be making drivers.
amlib 2y ago
I agree linux has its shortcomings and on average is inferior to the trillion dollar backed alternatives, but I was focusing on countering the point of gaming that was made, which is for a fact much better on linux than on macos. You WILL have a better time gaming there. Anyway, we should all be glad how far linux has improved over the years and how it is a viable alternative to many use cases now. Hardware support used to be appalling and it used to be painful to use it for basic things like internet, video, music, games etc. Even developers had a rough time, with windows being the gold standard dev environment. But look at it now, linux is the gold standard dev environment, meanwhile microsoft is having to course correct and embed a copy of linux into windows, buy github and create a multiplatform text editor to try and lure developers back. I also think it's important people keep giving linux a chance every couple years, If it doesn't work for you now give it another chance 2 to 5 years from now, it might finally click.