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Linux isn't suitable for the non-tech user, and it will never be. Linux will never reach the peak that Windows has. It's just too clunky. Those willing to seek

Linux isn't suitable for the non-tech user, and it will never be. Linux will never reach the peak that Windows has. It's just too clunky. Those willing to seek something different will embrace but if I gave my mother a computer with Linux installed, I'd never not be tech support. And my mother is technology oriented. Her first computer was a Wang Labs machine back from the 80's. She can create her own website, operate photoshop and she even built her own system. She's 73. Recall just doesn't matter to those out of the geek sector. As with privacy for that matter. "I got nothing to hide"

luyu_wu 2y ago
This comment seems unnecessarily brutal and reads like it is written by someone who knows nothing about Linux. If anything, keep your mind open and never say never.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  I'm a Unix admin. I've used Linux for over 15 years ever since the age of 13, where a dutch hacker gave me a box debian. Kernel 2x was my first setup. Icepack Linux was my first Linux OS: https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=icepack https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=icepac... Where Matrox S3 drivers were something you needed to modify yourself and Xorg was XFree86. If I was to gloat; sadly my open mind has become a cynical one a long time ago.
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- okanat 2y ago
  I used Linux as my primary OS for 15 years and currently earn money from maintaining an internal distro that is compiled from scratch. I can go as deep into the kernel as I want and if the business needs I can change or patch a package. The more I gain experience in Unix family systems the more I discover how haphazardly those are made. I agree with the commenter 100%.
  - luyu_wu 2y ago
    It's not like Windows is any less haphazard (if not more)! I think you'd be stunned by the OOTB experience of distros meant for newcomers （Fedora or Vanilla come to mind).
bibliotekka 2y ago
Your mom sounds cool.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  I have a lot to say thanks for. Giving me life and supporting me though it; I've not been an easy child.
29athrowaway 2y ago
Some people cherry pick something that's hard to do on Linux and then jump to the conclusion that Linux is consistently hard to use. It is not. Windows reached its peak through deals where it comes preinstalled. Windows is bloated and OEM manufacturers add even more bloat to it. The result is sluggish machines that are a complete waste of potential. Forced updates, ads and now outright spying makes Windows the inferior choice. Having 3 extra FPS in some dumb game is not worth your privacy.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  Right, and for a gamer they may. But the average gamer is now more console than PC. As a legacy gamer when of the age 20, I didn't care about the crap that Microsoft pushed upon. I just downloaded some rogue batch script, probably infecting myself with a trojan and just played games. Looking at porn after hours and downloading matrix.reloaded.2.pif.gif.exe from Kazaa. Teenagers just don't care otherwise TikTok wouldn't be thing.
k310 2y ago
My brother, the least tech-oriented person you can imagine, got tired of windows updates breaking his drivers and ended up with a linux system sold by and supported by Dell. I get zero calls for help. Other than browsing, he uses Libre Office for random documents and a photo management app I forgot. I take his experience as a very positive sign for linux.
dylan604 2y ago
I was with up until your last graph. Just because people are not aware that Recall exists and is actively collecting data without their knowing does not mean it doesn't matter. The people that believe it doesn't matter is precisely why these companies get away with what they do.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  I'm not saying it doesn't matter; stereotyping here, you've got two groups. Those who know about it, and don't care and those who don't know but do care. Those who do live in the world of part time computer usage. They check their facebook, shop amazon, grocery shop. But are the "I've got nothing to hide, so what does it matter" category. And those who are concerned for it are unable to embrace the difference. As like teaching an old dog new tricks. By all means they can, and they want to change. The learning curve is however too steep. What they have learnt is what they can handle. They don't the same time to learn as the younger audience does. My mother wants the internet to look up patterns of leaves so she can lino print not wanting to diagnose why systemd hangs at night when she turns off her computer. If you take an existing install of Linux First of all, who is the one going to give them a USB key and let them install the OS? Burning an ISO is tricky enough for anyone. Google usb iso burner and you get swamped by download promiscuous download sites. My father doesn't know about Rufus, my mother doesn't know about DD. And this is where Windows and OSX leaps ahead. They come pre-installed, press the power button and your good to go. Back to Linux you then have to run some chonky installer. Ubuntu's installer is astrocious in requiring to be connected to the internet. You then have to hope that the drivers work. Compatibility is better than how it used to be but with OEM computers it can be easily sabotaged by the vendor and then on top of that the decision of the Window Manager and hope they like. It's not an easy change.
sys_64738 2y ago
Chromebooks are the proof by contradiction that you’re wrong.

luyu_wu 2y ago

This comment seems unnecessarily brutal and reads like it is written by someone who knows nothing about Linux. If anything, keep your mind open and never say never.

doublerabbit 2y ago
I'm a Unix admin. I've used Linux for over 15 years ever since the age of 13, where a dutch hacker gave me a box debian. Kernel 2x was my first setup. Icepack Linux was my first Linux OS: https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=icepack https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=icepac... Where Matrox S3 drivers were something you needed to modify yourself and Xorg was XFree86. If I was to gloat; sadly my open mind has become a cynical one a long time ago.
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okanat 2y ago
I used Linux as my primary OS for 15 years and currently earn money from maintaining an internal distro that is compiled from scratch. I can go as deep into the kernel as I want and if the business needs I can change or patch a package. The more I gain experience in Unix family systems the more I discover how haphazardly those are made. I agree with the commenter 100%.
- luyu_wu 2y ago
  It's not like Windows is any less haphazard (if not more)! I think you'd be stunned by the OOTB experience of distros meant for newcomers （Fedora or Vanilla come to mind).

bibliotekka 2y ago

Your mom sounds cool.

doublerabbit 2y ago
I have a lot to say thanks for. Giving me life and supporting me though it; I've not been an easy child.

29athrowaway 2y ago

Some people cherry pick something that's hard to do on Linux and then jump to the conclusion that Linux is consistently hard to use. It is not. Windows reached its peak through deals where it comes preinstalled. Windows is bloated and OEM manufacturers add even more bloat to it. The result is sluggish machines that are a complete waste of potential. Forced updates, ads and now outright spying makes Windows the inferior choice. Having 3 extra FPS in some dumb game is not worth your privacy.

doublerabbit 2y ago
Right, and for a gamer they may. But the average gamer is now more console than PC. As a legacy gamer when of the age 20, I didn't care about the crap that Microsoft pushed upon. I just downloaded some rogue batch script, probably infecting myself with a trojan and just played games. Looking at porn after hours and downloading matrix.reloaded.2.pif.gif.exe from Kazaa. Teenagers just don't care otherwise TikTok wouldn't be thing.

k310 2y ago

My brother, the least tech-oriented person you can imagine, got tired of windows updates breaking his drivers and ended up with a linux system sold by and supported by Dell. I get zero calls for help. Other than browsing, he uses Libre Office for random documents and a photo management app I forgot. I take his experience as a very positive sign for linux.

dylan604 2y ago

I was with up until your last graph. Just because people are not aware that Recall exists and is actively collecting data without their knowing does not mean it doesn't matter. The people that believe it doesn't matter is precisely why these companies get away with what they do.

doublerabbit 2y ago
I'm not saying it doesn't matter; stereotyping here, you've got two groups. Those who know about it, and don't care and those who don't know but do care. Those who do live in the world of part time computer usage. They check their facebook, shop amazon, grocery shop. But are the "I've got nothing to hide, so what does it matter" category. And those who are concerned for it are unable to embrace the difference. As like teaching an old dog new tricks. By all means they can, and they want to change. The learning curve is however too steep. What they have learnt is what they can handle. They don't the same time to learn as the younger audience does. My mother wants the internet to look up patterns of leaves so she can lino print not wanting to diagnose why systemd hangs at night when she turns off her computer. If you take an existing install of Linux First of all, who is the one going to give them a USB key and let them install the OS? Burning an ISO is tricky enough for anyone. Google usb iso burner and you get swamped by download promiscuous download sites. My father doesn't know about Rufus, my mother doesn't know about DD. And this is where Windows and OSX leaps ahead. They come pre-installed, press the power button and your good to go. Back to Linux you then have to run some chonky installer. Ubuntu's installer is astrocious in requiring to be connected to the internet. You then have to hope that the drivers work. Compatibility is better than how it used to be but with OEM computers it can be easily sabotaged by the vendor and then on top of that the decision of the Window Manager and hope they like. It's not an easy change.

sys_64738 2y ago

Chromebooks are the proof by contradiction that you’re wrong.