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He has an extremely dark side that impedes him and everyone around him, regardless of the extraordinary success he experienced. That man need a therapist. The

by kiba 2y ago

He has an extremely dark side that impedes him and everyone around him, regardless of the extraordinary success he experienced. That man need a therapist. The public hatred he has gotten is his making, ultimately.

dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
> He has an extremely dark side that impedes him and everyone around him, His dark side is out in the open for everyone to see. What you are saying is the people prefer someone who is apparently appears not have a dark side. IMO such people are just adept at camouflaging their dark side, politicians do it routinely. >That man need a therapist. Well, IMO it's mostly the public that needs therapists. Quote: It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti >The public hatred he has gotten is his making, ultimately. Agreed.
- diputsmonro 2y ago
  > you are saying is the people prefer someone who is apparently appears not have a dark side. IMO such people are just adept at camouflaging their dark side, politicians do it routinely. When this person owns one of the largest communication platforms on Earth and regularly spreads conspiracy theories, disinformation, and transphobia... yes, I would prefer they hide that. That rhetoric does real harm to people. Accusing someone of being a pedophile without evidence isn't something you just say "Well at least he's speaking his mind!" to. The richest man on Earth should be able to afford a therapist, or at least a PR firm. If his ego is preventing him from doing so, well, that's a fair thing to criticize.
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  - dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
    >regularly spreads conspiracy theories, disinformation, and transphobia What you are saying indirectly are that common people are idiots to believe those 'conspiracy theories' ? or am I misinterpreting you? >Accusing someone of being a pedophile without evidence isn't something you just say "Well at least he's speaking his mind!" to. No I did not quite mean that. No excuses for him to call someone names. But if you know people ( or along lines of what I understand of people), actions speak louder than words. The most evil people manage to hide their evilness though glib talk.
choilive 2y ago
> He has an extremely dark side that impedes him and everyone around him, regardless of the extraordinary success he experienced. I think people have a hard time separating out the good work someone has done vs the bad. We humans are imperfect, but ironically have the tendency to put a binary label on people as good or bad without leaving much room for gray area. Ex. Shockley got a Nobel prize for his foundational work on transistors and semiconductors - inarguably one of the most important 20th century inventions, but he was also an extremely vocal racist and eugenicist. Was Shockley a brilliant scientist or a vociferous racist? He can be both while acknowledging the good contributions to society he made. I find this is often the case of many historical figures that made their mark on humanity. Is Elon Musk a brilliant entrepreneur or a micromanaging arrogant narcissist who carries some deeply rooted insecurities? (Among other "flaws" such as being an absentee father) Why not both? Perhaps the dark side has enabled their success to some degree? Who knows. Its hard to do anything important without a carrying a little bit of controversy in life.
- t43562 2y ago
  Why waste admiration on someone who has been very well rewarded for what they did? I'd rather admire people who acted out of altruism. A soldier dying to save his friends - nobody can give more than their life and nothing can compensate a person for losing it. That's an example of 'admirable' to me...or a doctor working for Medecins sans Frontiers.
- peterfirefly 2y ago
  > he was also an extremely vocal racist and eugenicist. He was vocal about scientific evidence and what conclusions he drew from that evidence. I wouldn't draw the same conclusions but the evidence was quite clear (and is now clearer still).
thedudeabides97 2y ago
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by kiba 2y ago

dennis_jeeves2 2y ago

> He has an extremely dark side that impedes him and everyone around him, His dark side is out in the open for everyone to see. What you are saying is the people prefer someone who is apparently appears not have a dark side. IMO such people are just adept at camouflaging their dark side, politicians do it routinely. >That man need a therapist. Well, IMO it's mostly the public that needs therapists. Quote: It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti >The public hatred he has gotten is his making, ultimately. Agreed.

diputsmonro 2y ago
> you are saying is the people prefer someone who is apparently appears not have a dark side. IMO such people are just adept at camouflaging their dark side, politicians do it routinely. When this person owns one of the largest communication platforms on Earth and regularly spreads conspiracy theories, disinformation, and transphobia... yes, I would prefer they hide that. That rhetoric does real harm to people. Accusing someone of being a pedophile without evidence isn't something you just say "Well at least he's speaking his mind!" to. The richest man on Earth should be able to afford a therapist, or at least a PR firm. If his ego is preventing him from doing so, well, that's a fair thing to criticize.
- jay-barronville 2y ago
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- dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
  >regularly spreads conspiracy theories, disinformation, and transphobia What you are saying indirectly are that common people are idiots to believe those 'conspiracy theories' ? or am I misinterpreting you? >Accusing someone of being a pedophile without evidence isn't something you just say "Well at least he's speaking his mind!" to. No I did not quite mean that. No excuses for him to call someone names. But if you know people ( or along lines of what I understand of people), actions speak louder than words. The most evil people manage to hide their evilness though glib talk.

choilive 2y ago

> He has an extremely dark side that impedes him and everyone around him, regardless of the extraordinary success he experienced. I think people have a hard time separating out the good work someone has done vs the bad. We humans are imperfect, but ironically have the tendency to put a binary label on people as good or bad without leaving much room for gray area. Ex. Shockley got a Nobel prize for his foundational work on transistors and semiconductors - inarguably one of the most important 20th century inventions, but he was also an extremely vocal racist and eugenicist. Was Shockley a brilliant scientist or a vociferous racist? He can be both while acknowledging the good contributions to society he made. I find this is often the case of many historical figures that made their mark on humanity. Is Elon Musk a brilliant entrepreneur or a micromanaging arrogant narcissist who carries some deeply rooted insecurities? (Among other "flaws" such as being an absentee father) Why not both? Perhaps the dark side has enabled their success to some degree? Who knows. Its hard to do anything important without a carrying a little bit of controversy in life.

t43562 2y ago
Why waste admiration on someone who has been very well rewarded for what they did? I'd rather admire people who acted out of altruism. A soldier dying to save his friends - nobody can give more than their life and nothing can compensate a person for losing it. That's an example of 'admirable' to me...or a doctor working for Medecins sans Frontiers.
peterfirefly 2y ago
> he was also an extremely vocal racist and eugenicist. He was vocal about scientific evidence and what conclusions he drew from that evidence. I wouldn't draw the same conclusions but the evidence was quite clear (and is now clearer still).

thedudeabides97 2y ago

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