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I own a Tesla, for practical purposes it is self-driving.

by vl 2y ago

justinclift 2y ago
Including into the back of emergency vehicles?
toss1 2y ago
Seriously? Your definition of "self-driving" must be different from normal. Any proper understanding of the term "self driving", including the way Musk advertises it, is 'tell car through the UI where you want it to go, sit back and it reliably gets you there with zero further input, better than the average human driver'. Please post a video of it doing this for any route on real roads, with no driver input. Seriously. I'd love to see it, because I never have. I've seen Tesla videos with few required driver interventions. But not none. And from the accidents I've read about, I sure as shirt would not give it a destination and recline reading a book. Especially on left-turns and near emergency vehicles, turning trucks, or construction barriers. So, what is your definition of self-driving, and what performance can you show? And in what road conditions?
- throwAGIway 2y ago
  I drove the Mercedes with officially regulated L2 self driving capability and it was much worse than the old Tesla model I tested years before... The current version is supposedly much further based on the online feedback, while the Mercedes is still bad.
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    L2 isn't marketed as Full Self Driving
    - throwAGIway 2y ago
      It's called Drive Pilot and the user experience of activation and usage is no different from a Tesla. It's just much less capable.
      - toss1 2y ago
        Right, DrivePilot is less capable than a Tesla. Got it. You still have provided ANY example of the topic of the discussion — a car that is actually self-driving, as in can get from one location to another on public roads with zero intervention by a human. Telling us about another less capable car with driver-assist tech advances the conversation how?
        throwAGIway 2y ago
        You said that any proper definition/understanding of self driving means... Well it doesn't. Mercedes will gladly sell you their much less capable self driving. Sure I agree, it'd be great if self driving meant absolutely zero interventions. The market is elsewhere though.
  - toss1 2y ago
    OK, that tells me that the Tesla seems better than the Mercedes. It does NOT tell me that either have achieved anything near the stated standard: "for practical purposes it is self-driving." I don't think anyone promotes (or any reasonable person understands) L2 as self driving. SAE defines L2 assist [0] as "You ARE driving... you must constantly supervise and support these features ... lane centering and adaptive cruise control at the same time". "Self driving" implies to me and everyone I know as "the car drives itself". As in I can safely sleep in the back seat as if another human were driving, or I could ask the car to come or go to a destination, as I could ask another human to drive my car to/from a destination. Can you provide an example of ANY car doing this yet? [0] https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update
    - throwAGIway 2y ago
      It's called Drive Pilot.

I own a Tesla, for practical purposes it is self-driving.

by vl 2y ago

I own a Tesla, for practical purposes it is self-driving.

justinclift 2y ago

Including into the back of emergency vehicles?

toss1 2y ago

Seriously? Your definition of "self-driving" must be different from normal. Any proper understanding of the term "self driving", including the way Musk advertises it, is 'tell car through the UI where you want it to go, sit back and it reliably gets you there with zero further input, better than the average human driver'. Please post a video of it doing this for any route on real roads, with no driver input. Seriously. I'd love to see it, because I never have. I've seen Tesla videos with few required driver interventions. But not none. And from the accidents I've read about, I sure as shirt would not give it a destination and recline reading a book. Especially on left-turns and near emergency vehicles, turning trucks, or construction barriers. So, what is your definition of self-driving, and what performance can you show? And in what road conditions?

throwAGIway 2y ago
I drove the Mercedes with officially regulated L2 self driving capability and it was much worse than the old Tesla model I tested years before... The current version is supposedly much further based on the online feedback, while the Mercedes is still bad.
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  L2 isn't marketed as Full Self Driving
  - throwAGIway 2y ago
    It's called Drive Pilot and the user experience of activation and usage is no different from a Tesla. It's just much less capable.
    - toss1 2y ago
      Right, DrivePilot is less capable than a Tesla. Got it. You still have provided ANY example of the topic of the discussion — a car that is actually self-driving, as in can get from one location to another on public roads with zero intervention by a human. Telling us about another less capable car with driver-assist tech advances the conversation how?
      - throwAGIway 2y ago
        You said that any proper definition/understanding of self driving means... Well it doesn't. Mercedes will gladly sell you their much less capable self driving. Sure I agree, it'd be great if self driving meant absolutely zero interventions. The market is elsewhere though.
- toss1 2y ago
  OK, that tells me that the Tesla seems better than the Mercedes. It does NOT tell me that either have achieved anything near the stated standard: "for practical purposes it is self-driving." I don't think anyone promotes (or any reasonable person understands) L2 as self driving. SAE defines L2 assist [0] as "You ARE driving... you must constantly supervise and support these features ... lane centering and adaptive cruise control at the same time". "Self driving" implies to me and everyone I know as "the car drives itself". As in I can safely sleep in the back seat as if another human were driving, or I could ask the car to come or go to a destination, as I could ask another human to drive my car to/from a destination. Can you provide an example of ANY car doing this yet? [0] https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update
  - throwAGIway 2y ago
    It's called Drive Pilot.