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Charging makes a lot more sense at scale than battery swapping. Nio is doing it successfully in China, but they haven't been able to replicate it in Europe, to

Charging makes a lot more sense at scale than battery swapping. Nio is doing it successfully in China, but they haven't been able to replicate it in Europe, to say nothing of the US. A battery swap in a Nio takes 5-6 minutes but requires you to be in the car the whole time so if you want to use a restroom, get food/drinks, walk around, etc. you have to actually do that in addition to the battery swap. Charging allows you to multitask, and modern EVs can add a hundred or more miles of range in 15 minutes.

kcplate 2y ago
> Charging allows you to multitask, and modern EVs can add a hundred or more miles of range in 15 minutes. Requires a complete mindset change to be ok with the trade off of 75% less range in 3x the time. I can get 380 miles of range in less than 5 mins and 90% of the time I don’t want to multitask during that time but if I really needed a restroom and a drink, etc…I could do it within that same <5 min timeframe. So I don’t really buy in to this as a “benefit” when I hear people touting it. It just seems to be EV apologetics.
- greenthrow 2y ago
  Are you talking about filling a gas car in 5 minutes? That's not what we were talking about, we were talking about battery swaps. You should read the thread before replying. I would never tell someone that road tripping in an EV today is as easy as it is in an ICE car for a number of reasons, the main one being infrastructure. And that's not what we were talking about. If you really want to talk about ICE refueling vs. BEV charging stops. In the real world, going to the restroom and/or getting food/beverage will take longer than 5 minutes most of the time. You end up waiting in line a lot, if you're done refueling, you have to move your car to a parking space, etc. In the real world the difference in the length of time you're stopped for is not much if anything. What is different is the frequency of stops since an ICE car can take on 300+ miles of range much faster. So then it's a question if are you someone who stops only when you have to in order to refuel? In that case of course an ICE vehicle is still faster to road trip. But if you're someone who wants to stop every ~2-2.5 hours (which a lot of people are) then you're not gonna lose any additional time driving an EV. But you will have the annoyance of infrastructure being far, far less common and in the case of CCS vehicles far, far less reliable.

kcplate 2y ago

> Charging allows you to multitask, and modern EVs can add a hundred or more miles of range in 15 minutes. Requires a complete mindset change to be ok with the trade off of 75% less range in 3x the time. I can get 380 miles of range in less than 5 mins and 90% of the time I don’t want to multitask during that time but if I really needed a restroom and a drink, etc…I could do it within that same <5 min timeframe. So I don’t really buy in to this as a “benefit” when I hear people touting it. It just seems to be EV apologetics.

greenthrow 2y ago
Are you talking about filling a gas car in 5 minutes? That's not what we were talking about, we were talking about battery swaps. You should read the thread before replying. I would never tell someone that road tripping in an EV today is as easy as it is in an ICE car for a number of reasons, the main one being infrastructure. And that's not what we were talking about. If you really want to talk about ICE refueling vs. BEV charging stops. In the real world, going to the restroom and/or getting food/beverage will take longer than 5 minutes most of the time. You end up waiting in line a lot, if you're done refueling, you have to move your car to a parking space, etc. In the real world the difference in the length of time you're stopped for is not much if anything. What is different is the frequency of stops since an ICE car can take on 300+ miles of range much faster. So then it's a question if are you someone who stops only when you have to in order to refuel? In that case of course an ICE vehicle is still faster to road trip. But if you're someone who wants to stop every ~2-2.5 hours (which a lot of people are) then you're not gonna lose any additional time driving an EV. But you will have the annoyance of infrastructure being far, far less common and in the case of CCS vehicles far, far less reliable.