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Based on my experience, I assume disabled people also job hop less often. I often wonder if my lower pay is because I don't job hop, because of my disability,

Based on my experience, I assume disabled people also job hop less often. I often wonder if my lower pay is because I don't job hop, because of my disability, or if I'm just a piece of shit.

jvanderbot 2y ago
Why not both? Just kidding! It is almost certainly the lack of "flight risk". I've been on the management side long enough to know that you reward the most useful folks who "could go anywhere". As GP said, it's a rational strategy for them. I personally have lowered my expectations of salary growth over the years, and would be happy with some of those other benefits GP listed in the mean-time.
- giantg2 2y ago
  I'd be happy if I were successful in my job and maybe had another promotion. It's been a struggle just to keep a Dev 2 job. No chance of promotion based on how "inconsistent" I am. I'm hoping not to get PIP'd.
PaulRobinson 2y ago
I don't know you, but I know you aren't a piece of shit. Nobody is.
- vsuperpower2020 2y ago
  I had to deal with many pieces of shit when I was a child. Maybe you aren't looking hard enough?
  - financltravsty 2y ago
    Same, but with age and also being on the "piece of shit" side a few too many times -- I've realized most of it just circumstance and the more-often-than-not conclusion of a series of unfortunate life events. I don't know. I try to maintain empathy, even for the most despicable -- but that doesn't mean their actions need to be tolerated.
- astura 2y ago
  My dad is definitely a piece of shit.
greentxt 2y ago
Depressed people get paid less. I'm guessing that's the dissability. Apropos the larger context, job hopping correlates with over-confidence. It's all related.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  >Depressed people get paid less. I'm not sure if you are joking or not. This doesn't really make sense to me. Can you explain?
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Less assertive, less ambitious, less risk taking, less confident. More passive, more avoidant, low confidence. Depression undermines basically everything that helps initiate complete a negotiation. This is on top of any impact to actual work product.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Autistic. Research out of the UK shows a pay gap of 70 cents on the dollar. This seems to track in the US too.
gnarcoregrizz 2y ago
I'm in that basket. I can't reliably commute due to a neurological disability that prevents me from driving. I've been WFH since 2015. It's harder to find WFH jobs that pay as well. I also rely on expensive drugs to manage the condition. I absolutely cannot take the risk of being without health insurance. It definitely makes it a lot harder. I can't really tell prospective employers about the disability, it will just scare them off.
zer00eyz 2y ago
I think one thing that disability highlights, is tolerance. Some people find other job perks attractive, like stability, hours, access... For me having a shit boss, or a company who is crappy in a million other ways isnt a big deal. I can be flexible, in where and when and how in a way others cant. IF having a good boss or sane hours matter to you, changing jobs is a risk.
LoulouMonkey 2y ago
If anything, I have found my own disability to be a huge plus when looking for a new job. I'm one of these job hoppers and it's been almost 10 years since I have stayed over 3 years within the same company. Coincidentally, I was diagnosed with some condition that I won't name here about 10 years ago. Now, this is solely based on my own experience, which of course might not apply to your specific field of work and disability type. What I mean is, most large companies have a voluntary self-identification form at the end of their job application. And I tend to get a lot more responses when applying for roles where I am invited to disclose my disability. On a funny note, recruiters always want to confirm that I indeed have a disability, but they can't just reach out and ask "hey dude you sure you didn't click on that button by mistake?". Instead, they always send this very P.C. email that reads like "Here at [insert company name] we pride ourselves on bein inclusive and bla bla bla. You informed us that you had disability, and we want to make sure that we can accommodate you and make you feel welcome. If you need any special arrangement, please let us know". To which my response is always "Yes I do have this thing, and no I'm fine thanks". My disability has fucked up a lot of things in my life, but it's boosted my career.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Good for you, but that's the opposite of most people's experiences.

Based on my experience, I assume disabled people also job hop less often. I often wonder if my lower pay is because I don't job hop, because of my disability, or if I'm just a piece of shit.

jvanderbot 2y ago

Why not both? Just kidding! It is almost certainly the lack of "flight risk". I've been on the management side long enough to know that you reward the most useful folks who "could go anywhere". As GP said, it's a rational strategy for them. I personally have lowered my expectations of salary growth over the years, and would be happy with some of those other benefits GP listed in the mean-time.

giantg2 2y ago
I'd be happy if I were successful in my job and maybe had another promotion. It's been a struggle just to keep a Dev 2 job. No chance of promotion based on how "inconsistent" I am. I'm hoping not to get PIP'd.

PaulRobinson 2y ago

I don't know you, but I know you aren't a piece of shit. Nobody is.

vsuperpower2020 2y ago
I had to deal with many pieces of shit when I was a child. Maybe you aren't looking hard enough?
- financltravsty 2y ago
  Same, but with age and also being on the "piece of shit" side a few too many times -- I've realized most of it just circumstance and the more-often-than-not conclusion of a series of unfortunate life events. I don't know. I try to maintain empathy, even for the most despicable -- but that doesn't mean their actions need to be tolerated.
astura 2y ago
My dad is definitely a piece of shit.

greentxt 2y ago

Depressed people get paid less. I'm guessing that's the dissability. Apropos the larger context, job hopping correlates with over-confidence. It's all related.

ziddoap 2y ago
>Depressed people get paid less. I'm not sure if you are joking or not. This doesn't really make sense to me. Can you explain?
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Less assertive, less ambitious, less risk taking, less confident. More passive, more avoidant, low confidence. Depression undermines basically everything that helps initiate complete a negotiation. This is on top of any impact to actual work product.
giantg2 2y ago
Autistic. Research out of the UK shows a pay gap of 70 cents on the dollar. This seems to track in the US too.

gnarcoregrizz 2y ago

I'm in that basket. I can't reliably commute due to a neurological disability that prevents me from driving. I've been WFH since 2015. It's harder to find WFH jobs that pay as well. I also rely on expensive drugs to manage the condition. I absolutely cannot take the risk of being without health insurance. It definitely makes it a lot harder. I can't really tell prospective employers about the disability, it will just scare them off.

zer00eyz 2y ago

I think one thing that disability highlights, is tolerance. Some people find other job perks attractive, like stability, hours, access... For me having a shit boss, or a company who is crappy in a million other ways isnt a big deal. I can be flexible, in where and when and how in a way others cant. IF having a good boss or sane hours matter to you, changing jobs is a risk.

LoulouMonkey 2y ago

If anything, I have found my own disability to be a huge plus when looking for a new job. I'm one of these job hoppers and it's been almost 10 years since I have stayed over 3 years within the same company. Coincidentally, I was diagnosed with some condition that I won't name here about 10 years ago. Now, this is solely based on my own experience, which of course might not apply to your specific field of work and disability type. What I mean is, most large companies have a voluntary self-identification form at the end of their job application. And I tend to get a lot more responses when applying for roles where I am invited to disclose my disability. On a funny note, recruiters always want to confirm that I indeed have a disability, but they can't just reach out and ask "hey dude you sure you didn't click on that button by mistake?". Instead, they always send this very P.C. email that reads like "Here at [insert company name] we pride ourselves on bein inclusive and bla bla bla. You informed us that you had disability, and we want to make sure that we can accommodate you and make you feel welcome. If you need any special arrangement, please let us know". To which my response is always "Yes I do have this thing, and no I'm fine thanks". My disability has fucked up a lot of things in my life, but it's boosted my career.

giantg2 2y ago
Good for you, but that's the opposite of most people's experiences.