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You're assuming I'm driving it back to the drop point as a dedicated trip. A: I typically keep the containers until I order next time, you have a month to drop

by Carrok 2y ago

You're assuming I'm driving it back to the drop point as a dedicated trip. A: I typically keep the containers until I order next time, you have a month to drop them off. So just drop them off when you're picking up your food. B: The drop off point is a short walk away, so you could just, you know, walk. I'm not worried about resources or emissions here, I'm more concerned about trash in the rivers/oceans, and microplastics. There are more metrics to account for than you are allowing for.

ars 2y ago
> I typically keep the containers until I order next time Don't them smell? If you wash them by hand you end up using more resources than if you had disposable. If you put them in a dishwasher then, I guess that would work, but seems like a lot of effort for takeout. > I'm more concerned about trash in the rivers/oceans, and microplastics Are you dumping things in the street? I suspect you are not. River/Ocean trash is a huge problem, and is not being caused in the US or Canada.
- Carrok 2y ago
  > Don't them smell? If you wash them by hand you end up using more resources than if you had disposable. No. There is absolutely no way that rinsing out a container uses more resources than creating and transporting new disposable containers. > Are you dumping things in the street? I personally am not. I see plenty of people who are. I see plenty of trash in my local rivers and streams, so I'm not sure what you're basing your statement on.
  - kragen 2y ago
    > There is absolutely no way that rinsing out a container uses more resources than creating and transporting new disposable containers. that's what i thought, too, until i did the math, and it turns out that i was wrong. rinsing out a bottle with hot water uses several times more energy than manufacturing a brand new plastic bottle from petroleum and transporting it (they're generally transported as preforms until the bottling plant, which keeps the costs down). in most cases, though, rinsing it out with cold water does use less the high bit here, though, is not that you should stop using hot water to wash your dishes, or using reusable dishes. it's that the resource usage of food packaging is an irrelevant distraction from the real environmental devastation that's going on all around you (actually no, the high bit is that you should base your beliefs and actions on objectively verifiable information and rational analysis rather than superstition)
    - Carrok 2y ago
      I use cold water to rinse lol. Right, there are other issues so let’s do nothing about this issue. Got it.
      - kragen 2y ago
        in your case rinsing does use less resources than manufacturing and transporting a new container, then!
kaibee 2y ago
Also as EV/Plugin-Hybrid adoption keeps increasing, the emissions generated from even a dedicated trip aren't an issue.
akasakahakada 2y ago
Of course transport 10 tons of paper product has zero energy consumption according to Law of Newtonian Physics. More weight, less energy. We successfully keep the ocean clean, but all turtles are dead by stopping ocean current with global warming.

by Carrok 2y ago

ars 2y ago

> I typically keep the containers until I order next time Don't them smell? If you wash them by hand you end up using more resources than if you had disposable. If you put them in a dishwasher then, I guess that would work, but seems like a lot of effort for takeout. > I'm more concerned about trash in the rivers/oceans, and microplastics Are you dumping things in the street? I suspect you are not. River/Ocean trash is a huge problem, and is not being caused in the US or Canada.

Carrok 2y ago
> Don't them smell? If you wash them by hand you end up using more resources than if you had disposable. No. There is absolutely no way that rinsing out a container uses more resources than creating and transporting new disposable containers. > Are you dumping things in the street? I personally am not. I see plenty of people who are. I see plenty of trash in my local rivers and streams, so I'm not sure what you're basing your statement on.
- kragen 2y ago
  > There is absolutely no way that rinsing out a container uses more resources than creating and transporting new disposable containers. that's what i thought, too, until i did the math, and it turns out that i was wrong. rinsing out a bottle with hot water uses several times more energy than manufacturing a brand new plastic bottle from petroleum and transporting it (they're generally transported as preforms until the bottling plant, which keeps the costs down). in most cases, though, rinsing it out with cold water does use less the high bit here, though, is not that you should stop using hot water to wash your dishes, or using reusable dishes. it's that the resource usage of food packaging is an irrelevant distraction from the real environmental devastation that's going on all around you (actually no, the high bit is that you should base your beliefs and actions on objectively verifiable information and rational analysis rather than superstition)
  - Carrok 2y ago
    I use cold water to rinse lol. Right, there are other issues so let’s do nothing about this issue. Got it.
    - kragen 2y ago
      in your case rinsing does use less resources than manufacturing and transporting a new container, then!

kaibee 2y ago

Also as EV/Plugin-Hybrid adoption keeps increasing, the emissions generated from even a dedicated trip aren't an issue.

akasakahakada 2y ago

Of course transport 10 tons of paper product has zero energy consumption according to Law of Newtonian Physics. More weight, less energy. We successfully keep the ocean clean, but all turtles are dead by stopping ocean current with global warming.