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There are so many things bad about this contentless article. - It's not a scam, I paid $199 for the device and I have one - The hardware is nicely designed an

There are so many things bad about this contentless article. - It's not a scam, I paid $199 for the device and I have one - The hardware is nicely designed and fun to use, the UI for interacting with the LLM is better than other options (my grandma could play with it easily) The action model idea for training UI usage as a mechanism is an interesting idea. The author is just so incredibly wrong about the shift in capability from prolog and GOFAI to now it's almost a caricature.

PodgieTar 2y ago
I mean, it is a bit of a scam though right? I can pay for an NFT, 'own' the NFT, and still have been scammed. In the case of this device, it told users it has functionality that, plainly, it does not have. It marketed itself based on these features. That is a scam.
- stoniejohnson 2y ago
  they said they have a large action model, but allegedly they just have playwright scripts that break as rideshare apps update they said they are faster than chatgpt, but allegedly they are a chatgpt wrapper
  - viscanti 2y ago
    They say it's going to be free forever with no subscription, but they have to pay for chatgpt API calls. Even if you forgive them for overhyping their chatgpt wrapper, they're still a ponzi scheme.
- Lerc 2y ago
  I still think of NFTs like the art market. If you bought the thing and you are happy with just owning what you got then there isn't a problem. On the other hand if you bought with the expectation to sell in the future for a profit, you are trading on the perceived value. Scams rely on making you believe that the future accepted value will be much higher than what it will actually be. That would be analogous to creating the expectation of absent functionality in the Rabbit. In both cases the fraud is not in the item being sold but in the misrepresentations about it. I think why this matters is because these days it feels like everything is misrepresented. I can buy a graphics card and be happy with its performance even though it is almost guaranteed to be well below the manufacturers promised level. What is the returns policy for the Rabbit? Can people get a refund if they don't like it?
bowsamic 2y ago
Just because the device exists and appears to work doesn't mean it isn't a scam. For example, if someone sells you a machine that they claim is powered by magic but actually there is a hidden physical mechanism, you can claim the machine still performs the function, but they have misled you about the workings in a way that has huge implications on the capabilities of the product. That is what is going on here. Look at MKBHD's review, the main potential he pointed out was the LAM functionality and the possible future uses of that. It turns out that entire thing was faked, and the "magic" that was the LAM is a "hidden physical mechanism" of duct tape'd together manual automations
- the_snooze 2y ago
  You're looking for the Juicero: a real tangible (over)engineered product that certainly did a thing, but nowhere near what the manufacturers said it aimed to do.
  - bowsamic 2y ago
    Juicero might be an example, though I'm not sure if they made any specific large claim that was totally false, unlike in this case. Perhaps if explicitly Juicero claimed that some special magic was going on during the squeezing process, but I don't think they did
    - ziml77 2y ago
      They claimed that you needed the large amounts of force from their machine to squeeze the juice from their packets. People found that you can open them up and squeeze the juice out by hand because the machine isn't actually doing any sort of fresh juice squeezing.
- homefree 2y ago
  When I watched the keynote/preordered it seemed obvious the LAM UI training was work-in-progress. The core of the device was a new UI for interacting with an LLM via voice in a way that's better than the phone. It does this. I think the people calling it a scam are the same group that just complains about anything. The author drawing an equivalence between prolog and LLMs is a lot of evidence in favor of this sort of bullshit, I just have a really low tolerance for this kind of argument and person. I'm not delusional - I think the Humane device is extremely disappointing (and their marketing was way more misleading imo), but I'm glad they built and shipped something/tried something in this space. I don't believe the rabbit complaints are earnest it's just cool to hate new stuff for some people. It's the same batch that hated the iphone in 2007, just tedious and uninteresting.

PodgieTar 2y ago

I mean, it is a bit of a scam though right? I can pay for an NFT, 'own' the NFT, and still have been scammed. In the case of this device, it told users it has functionality that, plainly, it does not have. It marketed itself based on these features. That is a scam.

stoniejohnson 2y ago
they said they have a large action model, but allegedly they just have playwright scripts that break as rideshare apps update they said they are faster than chatgpt, but allegedly they are a chatgpt wrapper
- viscanti 2y ago
  They say it's going to be free forever with no subscription, but they have to pay for chatgpt API calls. Even if you forgive them for overhyping their chatgpt wrapper, they're still a ponzi scheme.
Lerc 2y ago
I still think of NFTs like the art market. If you bought the thing and you are happy with just owning what you got then there isn't a problem. On the other hand if you bought with the expectation to sell in the future for a profit, you are trading on the perceived value. Scams rely on making you believe that the future accepted value will be much higher than what it will actually be. That would be analogous to creating the expectation of absent functionality in the Rabbit. In both cases the fraud is not in the item being sold but in the misrepresentations about it. I think why this matters is because these days it feels like everything is misrepresented. I can buy a graphics card and be happy with its performance even though it is almost guaranteed to be well below the manufacturers promised level. What is the returns policy for the Rabbit? Can people get a refund if they don't like it?

bowsamic 2y ago

Just because the device exists and appears to work doesn't mean it isn't a scam. For example, if someone sells you a machine that they claim is powered by magic but actually there is a hidden physical mechanism, you can claim the machine still performs the function, but they have misled you about the workings in a way that has huge implications on the capabilities of the product. That is what is going on here. Look at MKBHD's review, the main potential he pointed out was the LAM functionality and the possible future uses of that. It turns out that entire thing was faked, and the "magic" that was the LAM is a "hidden physical mechanism" of duct tape'd together manual automations

the_snooze 2y ago
You're looking for the Juicero: a real tangible (over)engineered product that certainly did a thing, but nowhere near what the manufacturers said it aimed to do.
- bowsamic 2y ago
  Juicero might be an example, though I'm not sure if they made any specific large claim that was totally false, unlike in this case. Perhaps if explicitly Juicero claimed that some special magic was going on during the squeezing process, but I don't think they did
  - ziml77 2y ago
    They claimed that you needed the large amounts of force from their machine to squeeze the juice from their packets. People found that you can open them up and squeeze the juice out by hand because the machine isn't actually doing any sort of fresh juice squeezing.
homefree 2y ago
When I watched the keynote/preordered it seemed obvious the LAM UI training was work-in-progress. The core of the device was a new UI for interacting with an LLM via voice in a way that's better than the phone. It does this. I think the people calling it a scam are the same group that just complains about anything. The author drawing an equivalence between prolog and LLMs is a lot of evidence in favor of this sort of bullshit, I just have a really low tolerance for this kind of argument and person. I'm not delusional - I think the Humane device is extremely disappointing (and their marketing was way more misleading imo), but I'm glad they built and shipped something/tried something in this space. I don't believe the rabbit complaints are earnest it's just cool to hate new stuff for some people. It's the same batch that hated the iphone in 2007, just tedious and uninteresting.