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Do you find it concerning that no presidential candidate can even pass the primary without first kissing the ring of AIPAC? That Zionist lobby openly attacks in

by ein0p 2y ago

Do you find it concerning that no presidential candidate can even pass the primary without first kissing the ring of AIPAC? That Zionist lobby openly attacks insufficiently pro-Zionist candidates and then openly brags when they lose elections? With Zionist lobby trying to outlaw any criticism of Israel in direct violation of 1st amendment? Etc, etc. IDK about others, but I think this is insane.

nerdjon 2y ago
100% yes. TBH when I said "propaganda" I was grouping a lot of that under that when I should have been more specific. But that and similar things is what I was referring to with "I don't understand how this much power over the US was ever deemed acceptable". I remember seeing the articles about them funding the campaign of someone opposing someone else who had been critical if Israel. I don't remember which state or what position, but it wasn't just a one off either.
- leoh 2y ago
  What the actual fuck
- dfxm12 2y ago
  AIPAC is one such group. Here's an article about their spending in 2022: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/11/american-israel-public-affairs-committee-backed-candidates-won-midterm-races-following-big-spending-by-groups-super-pac/ https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/11/american-israel-pub... and also a story from earlier this year: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spendi... The MO is basically to try and defeat democrats in primaries who aren't giving carte blanche in terms of spending or support. If their candidate wins the primary, it doesn't matter much who wins the general election, since they have support of R's.
leoh 2y ago
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- ein0p 2y ago
  Every single point I made is 100% documented and verifiable. It’s also anti-Zionist, not antisemitic. There is a difference. And even if it were antisemitic (which it is not), I’d be within my constitutional rights as a US citizen living in the US.
- ESTheComposer 2y ago
  You cannot call any criticism of Israel or its hold over US politics anti-semitic just because Israel happens to be Jewish majority. When people criticize the US they aren't automatically anti America, any other country holds the same. US presidents always visit Israel and cater to it if they want to be elected, it has 0 to do with Judaism or the fact that Israel is founded on Jewish principles.
leoh 2y ago
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- nerdjon 2y ago
  Trying to shut down a conversation with "Antisemitism" does not help your case. Being critical of their actions does not equal antisemitism. I fully understand why they are doing what they are doing, they would be stupid not too. That doesn't mean its ok and we should accept it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/pro-israel-money-progressives-congress-challenges https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/pro-israel-m...
  - nsguy 2y ago
    How do you propose we determine the fine line between the antisemitic "The Jews run the World" and "being critical of their actions"? What would e.g. be the piece of evidence that convinces you that we're dealing with antisemitism and not legitimate criticism? We shouldn't shut down conversations about Israel with antisemitism but we also shouldn't shut down conversations about antisemitism with "being critical of their actions". There are many other groups lobbying for various causes in the US, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_lobby_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_lobby_in_the_United_State... "According to ProPublica, 4 of the top 10 governments lobbying in Washington are Arab, in terms of spending. The United Arab Emirates places first, having spent $10,914,002 in 2007 and 2008. Iraq, Morocco and Saudi Arabia also each spent over $3 million, and the non-Arab, Middle Eastern nation of Turkey also spent over $3 million." Why the focus on Israel here?
    - ein0p 2y ago
      Because the original post is about Israel using fake social media accounts to get US representatives to support genocide in Gaza. We’ve literally just passed some laws to _sanction the ICC_ for their daring to say anything negative about Bibi Netanyahu. Does the Arab lobby also have this kind of power? I mean, are you going to seriously argue that this is normal: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spendi... ?
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by ein0p 2y ago

nerdjon 2y ago

100% yes. TBH when I said "propaganda" I was grouping a lot of that under that when I should have been more specific. But that and similar things is what I was referring to with "I don't understand how this much power over the US was ever deemed acceptable". I remember seeing the articles about them funding the campaign of someone opposing someone else who had been critical if Israel. I don't remember which state or what position, but it wasn't just a one off either.

leoh 2y ago
What the actual fuck
dfxm12 2y ago
AIPAC is one such group. Here's an article about their spending in 2022: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/11/american-israel-public-affairs-committee-backed-candidates-won-midterm-races-following-big-spending-by-groups-super-pac/ https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/11/american-israel-pub... and also a story from earlier this year: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spendi... The MO is basically to try and defeat democrats in primaries who aren't giving carte blanche in terms of spending or support. If their candidate wins the primary, it doesn't matter much who wins the general election, since they have support of R's.

leoh 2y ago

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ein0p 2y ago
Every single point I made is 100% documented and verifiable. It’s also anti-Zionist, not antisemitic. There is a difference. And even if it were antisemitic (which it is not), I’d be within my constitutional rights as a US citizen living in the US.
ESTheComposer 2y ago
You cannot call any criticism of Israel or its hold over US politics anti-semitic just because Israel happens to be Jewish majority. When people criticize the US they aren't automatically anti America, any other country holds the same. US presidents always visit Israel and cater to it if they want to be elected, it has 0 to do with Judaism or the fact that Israel is founded on Jewish principles.

leoh 2y ago

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nerdjon 2y ago
Trying to shut down a conversation with "Antisemitism" does not help your case. Being critical of their actions does not equal antisemitism. I fully understand why they are doing what they are doing, they would be stupid not too. That doesn't mean its ok and we should accept it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/pro-israel-money-progressives-congress-challenges https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/pro-israel-m...
- nsguy 2y ago
  How do you propose we determine the fine line between the antisemitic "The Jews run the World" and "being critical of their actions"? What would e.g. be the piece of evidence that convinces you that we're dealing with antisemitism and not legitimate criticism? We shouldn't shut down conversations about Israel with antisemitism but we also shouldn't shut down conversations about antisemitism with "being critical of their actions". There are many other groups lobbying for various causes in the US, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_lobby_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_lobby_in_the_United_State... "According to ProPublica, 4 of the top 10 governments lobbying in Washington are Arab, in terms of spending. The United Arab Emirates places first, having spent $10,914,002 in 2007 and 2008. Iraq, Morocco and Saudi Arabia also each spent over $3 million, and the non-Arab, Middle Eastern nation of Turkey also spent over $3 million." Why the focus on Israel here?
  - ein0p 2y ago
    Because the original post is about Israel using fake social media accounts to get US representatives to support genocide in Gaza. We’ve literally just passed some laws to _sanction the ICC_ for their daring to say anything negative about Bibi Netanyahu. Does the Arab lobby also have this kind of power? I mean, are you going to seriously argue that this is normal: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spendi... ?

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