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Speaking of free speech, can you name another foreign interest that has managed to make it illegal in the US to boycott it's companies?

dfxm12 2y ago
To add some context in case people aren't aware: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181218-texas-teacher-fired-for-refusing-to-sign-anti-bds-oath/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181218-texas-teacher-fir...
Retric 2y ago
“Texas enacted a law in May 2017 prohibiting state agencies from signing contracts with companies that boycott Israel.” I’m not particularly happy about that law or similar ones in other states, but what you said is inaccurate.
- asadotzler 2y ago
  There's nothing inaccurate about what he said. These laws make it illegal for Americans from boycotting Israel. As an American state employee, organizing a boycott against Israel will get you fired or arrested because allowing it would be breaking the law.
  - ithkuil 2y ago
    There is an interesting caveat in the law: it only applies to boycotts against u.s. allies that are promoted or imposed by intergovernmental organizations (IGOs) The moment anybody else in the world stops boycotting Israel then finally Texas citizens will be fully free to boycott Israel
  - Retric 2y ago
    Nope, being illegal means something else. Nobody is going to be fined or go to jail for openly boycotting Israel. An amusement park can boycott Israel, they can say so in big bold letters on their commercials etc, and the state isn’t going to do anything. Therefore All companies ARE allowed to “boycott energy companies, discriminate against firearm entities or associations, or boycott Israel” https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/executive-management/OAG%20advisory%20on%20SB%2013%20and%2019%2010.18.23.pdf https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/... Not doing business is something else. States regularly prohibit companies over 500 employees from signing specific contracts, that doesn’t make it illegal to be a company with over 500 employees.
    - ESTheComposer 2y ago
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- 1shooner 2y ago
  It's a law designed to stop and prevent the individual political speech of US citizens, call it what you will. My point was that there is a foreign country that has successfully written laws (using a 'model act', i.e. copy-paste) for 38 US states that is not intended to serve the interest of US citizens, but that of the foreign country. I'm not aware of any other examples of that amount of reach by other countries or foreign interests. Maybe petrochemical/energy?

dfxm12 2y ago

To add some context in case people aren't aware: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181218-texas-teacher-fired-for-refusing-to-sign-anti-bds-oath/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181218-texas-teacher-fir...

Retric 2y ago

“Texas enacted a law in May 2017 prohibiting state agencies from signing contracts with companies that boycott Israel.” I’m not particularly happy about that law or similar ones in other states, but what you said is inaccurate.

asadotzler 2y ago
There's nothing inaccurate about what he said. These laws make it illegal for Americans from boycotting Israel. As an American state employee, organizing a boycott against Israel will get you fired or arrested because allowing it would be breaking the law.
- ithkuil 2y ago
  There is an interesting caveat in the law: it only applies to boycotts against u.s. allies that are promoted or imposed by intergovernmental organizations (IGOs) The moment anybody else in the world stops boycotting Israel then finally Texas citizens will be fully free to boycott Israel
- Retric 2y ago
  Nope, being illegal means something else. Nobody is going to be fined or go to jail for openly boycotting Israel. An amusement park can boycott Israel, they can say so in big bold letters on their commercials etc, and the state isn’t going to do anything. Therefore All companies ARE allowed to “boycott energy companies, discriminate against firearm entities or associations, or boycott Israel” https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/executive-management/OAG%20advisory%20on%20SB%2013%20and%2019%2010.18.23.pdf https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/... Not doing business is something else. States regularly prohibit companies over 500 employees from signing specific contracts, that doesn’t make it illegal to be a company with over 500 employees.
  - ESTheComposer 2y ago
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1shooner 2y ago
It's a law designed to stop and prevent the individual political speech of US citizens, call it what you will. My point was that there is a foreign country that has successfully written laws (using a 'model act', i.e. copy-paste) for 38 US states that is not intended to serve the interest of US citizens, but that of the foreign country. I'm not aware of any other examples of that amount of reach by other countries or foreign interests. Maybe petrochemical/energy?