5 ms·

Community notes seems to get stalemated as soon as any demagogue starts saying things that aren't true. The demagogues followers make it so the community note n

by pfisch 2y ago

Community notes seems to get stalemated as soon as any demagogue starts saying things that aren't true. The demagogues followers make it so the community note never appears.(Just look at all the false stuff elon musk has tweeted.) Our entire current system of spreading information seems to allow liars who get popular on basically false outrage bait to have a huge megaphone. I'm not sure how to stop this without a centralized authority shutting it down.

Jimmc414 2y ago
> Our entire current system of spreading information seems to allow liars who get popular on basically false outrage bait to have a huge megaphone. I'm not sure how to stop this without a centralized authority shutting it down. Centralized authorities are immune from demagoguery? You would throw out the first amendment to protect us from liars getting megaphones?
- pfisch 2y ago
  This isn't a 1st amendment issue. Before social media things were generally better and we didn't have big groups like qanon or people storming the capital trying to end democracy. Back then we did have centralized authorities doing quality control on the airwaves.
  - paleotrope 2y ago
    Bonus army would disagree there. Dispersed with tanks.
    - pfisch 2y ago
      That was almost 100 years ago. I'm talking about 20 years ago here.
  - Jimmc414 2y ago
    A centralized authority shutting down conversations is not a first amendment issue because of qanon and January 6th?
gcau 2y ago
>The demagogues followers make it so the community note never appears >Just look at all the false stuff elon musk has tweeted. >allow liars who get popular on basically false outrage bait to have a huge megaphone Do you have any kind of evidence or proof, for any of these claims? It sounds conspiratorial and emotional, especially when you say "it seems" about something that is the opposite of what I've seen in the CN program. >I'm not sure how to stop this without a centralized authority shutting it down. This honestly comes off as satire.
- pfisch 2y ago
  I've seen proof on twitter before. People showing the downvotes on corrections of demagogue posts. Twitter is littered with high profile false information with no community notes. So the system isn't working.
- suzzer99 2y ago
  https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/12/community-notes-is-great-until-it-challenges-elon-and-then-its-being-manipulated-by-state-actors/ https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/12/community-notes-is-great... https://x.com/CardQueenEileen/status/1655061481862619136 https://x.com/CardQueenEileen/status/1655061481862619136
SoftTalker 2y ago
You can't really shut it down, but you can protect the right of opposing points of view to have their own big megaphones.
- pfisch 2y ago
  We could shut it down, but we don't.
daft_pink 2y ago
I only see the end result, but generally when there is a community note, it tends to be something obviously false and I agree with it.
suzzer99 2y ago
That's basically the whole game in politics right now. Spread lies to your base, then when called on it, turn around and say "Well, 50 million people believe this is true. We need to respect their opinion." And I'm not saying both sides do it equally.

by pfisch 2y ago

Jimmc414 2y ago

> Our entire current system of spreading information seems to allow liars who get popular on basically false outrage bait to have a huge megaphone. I'm not sure how to stop this without a centralized authority shutting it down. Centralized authorities are immune from demagoguery? You would throw out the first amendment to protect us from liars getting megaphones?

pfisch 2y ago
This isn't a 1st amendment issue. Before social media things were generally better and we didn't have big groups like qanon or people storming the capital trying to end democracy. Back then we did have centralized authorities doing quality control on the airwaves.
- paleotrope 2y ago
  Bonus army would disagree there. Dispersed with tanks.
  - pfisch 2y ago
    That was almost 100 years ago. I'm talking about 20 years ago here.
- Jimmc414 2y ago
  A centralized authority shutting down conversations is not a first amendment issue because of qanon and January 6th?

gcau 2y ago

>The demagogues followers make it so the community note never appears >Just look at all the false stuff elon musk has tweeted. >allow liars who get popular on basically false outrage bait to have a huge megaphone Do you have any kind of evidence or proof, for any of these claims? It sounds conspiratorial and emotional, especially when you say "it seems" about something that is the opposite of what I've seen in the CN program. >I'm not sure how to stop this without a centralized authority shutting it down. This honestly comes off as satire.

pfisch 2y ago
I've seen proof on twitter before. People showing the downvotes on corrections of demagogue posts. Twitter is littered with high profile false information with no community notes. So the system isn't working.
suzzer99 2y ago
https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/12/community-notes-is-great-until-it-challenges-elon-and-then-its-being-manipulated-by-state-actors/ https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/12/community-notes-is-great... https://x.com/CardQueenEileen/status/1655061481862619136 https://x.com/CardQueenEileen/status/1655061481862619136

SoftTalker 2y ago

You can't really shut it down, but you can protect the right of opposing points of view to have their own big megaphones.

pfisch 2y ago
We could shut it down, but we don't.

daft_pink 2y ago

I only see the end result, but generally when there is a community note, it tends to be something obviously false and I agree with it.

suzzer99 2y ago

That's basically the whole game in politics right now. Spread lies to your base, then when called on it, turn around and say "Well, 50 million people believe this is true. We need to respect their opinion." And I'm not saying both sides do it equally.