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Israel never got the memo about calming their propaganda campaigns down - now even the most average Joe (at least in the UK) can spot them a mile off. They aren

Israel never got the memo about calming their propaganda campaigns down - now even the most average Joe (at least in the UK) can spot them a mile off. They aren’t subtle about it. For a country which is meant to be one of the smartest out there, their propaganda campaigns are an utter disaster giveaway to anyone with a pulse and a few dozen brain cells.

diggan 2y ago
> For a country which is meant to be one of the smartest out there Seems their propaganda works just fine if that's a commonly held belief :)
- tehjoker 2y ago
  Yea, US propaganda is the same way. It's not subtle, it's just so many people are onboard with it they don't really care.
- WhackyIdeas 2y ago
  Maybe that is just the dregs of a time when they used to be half decent at propaganda ;) I take it back. They are smart with their hacking and that’s where it ends.
  - jajko 2y ago
    > They are smart with their hacking and that’s where it ends So are often russians, or chinese. Maybe the concentration is on another level, they are a tiny country but highly educated for generations. I'd bet if we properly educated and developed whole world we would discover Einsteins and Bolts in many many places out there. Ie elite athletes often come from places around where they could do sport, ie mountaineers but also many others.
- some-guy 2y ago
  My wife lived in Israel on and off for years, I got to visit her for awhile during her dissertation work in the West Bank. Only a few blocks of Tel Aviv deserve the "modern Middle Eastern country" label in my mind. And even then it wasn't nearly as impressive as I thought. Haifa is a lovely town though :)
- nemo44x 2y ago
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  - FireBeyond 2y ago
    I'm going to flag this as some weird eugenics BS. "Average IQ of 83" ... so the average person is "borderline mentally disabled"?
    - nemo44x 2y ago
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    - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
      Yeah, it kind of reminded me of the garbage my old mate and his girlfriend used to spout when I was friends with them - ‘black people have low IQ’ crap. One of the reasons I avoid making friends - I have always attracted nutters.
      - nemo44x 2y ago
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        tptacek 2y ago
        "IQ has no relationship with the value of a human" has mostly always been a dog whistle; "so ${disfavored outgroup} is scientifically established as less intellectually capable, that doesn't make them any less valuable". (I'm just commenting in the abstract).
cjk2 2y ago
To be fair propagandists generally don't have to aim high. They only have to shift the undecided and uninformed opinions a little bit. You want to see some of the crap the agencies were pushing out pre-Brexit and it worked, so I wouldn't classify the average UK citizen as much to be contended with (I am UK as well for ref).
- WhackyIdeas 2y ago
  The only good thing to come from Brexit is that for some people they woke up and smelt the more expensive coffee than it used to be and had some self reflection. I have spoke with a good few people now that were like ‘I was lied to’… well duh.
  - cjk2 2y ago
    Unfortunately it was mostly "I was lied to, but I agree with it anyway because of X" where X is some loose justification to absolve themselves of the self-inflicted mess they got themselves into. My father was a fine one. His staff fucked off back to Europe, he couldn't hire anyone else and had to fold his company and retire. Then he found out he got cancer and that the NHS had staffing problems due to Brexit. Me, I am better off for it as I fill a niche demand, but I voted against it because it was generally bad for society and I do not always vote in self-interest.
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    - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
      Our business lost around 90% of European customers. Then the odd customer now from Europe emails in a rage because they had to pay import duties… so then having to tell them that ‘Brexit’ happened! You are so right though - most people just will refuse to accept they were taken for fools with all the nasty rhetoric about ‘people coming in to our country’… and so many have even been convinced that ripping up the Human Rights act is somehow a good thing (??? Wtf!). Rich people manipulating the minds of poor people was what Brexit was all about. At the time I was convinced this was a Russian move to make UK weaker. But then again, I was convinced for many years that Trump was a Russian asset to make America implode (which is kind of what happened). All this hate for foreigners. It’s disgusting.
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r00fus 2y ago
See, this is the thing - this propaganda is only meant as the "rationale" that goes along with the real bribe - campaign funding from the likes of AIPAC and DMfI. The funding is what secures these politicians' votes. The propaganda is what the politicians can use to justify their actions to everyone else. That it's laughably bad is a function less of the capabilities of Israel than the utter fealty that these politicans have to the Israeli cause.

diggan 2y ago

> For a country which is meant to be one of the smartest out there Seems their propaganda works just fine if that's a commonly held belief :)

tehjoker 2y ago
Yea, US propaganda is the same way. It's not subtle, it's just so many people are onboard with it they don't really care.
WhackyIdeas 2y ago
Maybe that is just the dregs of a time when they used to be half decent at propaganda ;) I take it back. They are smart with their hacking and that’s where it ends.
- jajko 2y ago
  > They are smart with their hacking and that’s where it ends So are often russians, or chinese. Maybe the concentration is on another level, they are a tiny country but highly educated for generations. I'd bet if we properly educated and developed whole world we would discover Einsteins and Bolts in many many places out there. Ie elite athletes often come from places around where they could do sport, ie mountaineers but also many others.
some-guy 2y ago
My wife lived in Israel on and off for years, I got to visit her for awhile during her dissertation work in the West Bank. Only a few blocks of Tel Aviv deserve the "modern Middle Eastern country" label in my mind. And even then it wasn't nearly as impressive as I thought. Haifa is a lovely town though :)
nemo44x 2y ago
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- FireBeyond 2y ago
  I'm going to flag this as some weird eugenics BS. "Average IQ of 83" ... so the average person is "borderline mentally disabled"?
  - nemo44x 2y ago
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  - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
    Yeah, it kind of reminded me of the garbage my old mate and his girlfriend used to spout when I was friends with them - ‘black people have low IQ’ crap. One of the reasons I avoid making friends - I have always attracted nutters.
    - nemo44x 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - tptacek 2y ago
        "IQ has no relationship with the value of a human" has mostly always been a dog whistle; "so ${disfavored outgroup} is scientifically established as less intellectually capable, that doesn't make them any less valuable". (I'm just commenting in the abstract).

cjk2 2y ago

To be fair propagandists generally don't have to aim high. They only have to shift the undecided and uninformed opinions a little bit. You want to see some of the crap the agencies were pushing out pre-Brexit and it worked, so I wouldn't classify the average UK citizen as much to be contended with (I am UK as well for ref).

WhackyIdeas 2y ago
The only good thing to come from Brexit is that for some people they woke up and smelt the more expensive coffee than it used to be and had some self reflection. I have spoke with a good few people now that were like ‘I was lied to’… well duh.
- cjk2 2y ago
  Unfortunately it was mostly "I was lied to, but I agree with it anyway because of X" where X is some loose justification to absolve themselves of the self-inflicted mess they got themselves into. My father was a fine one. His staff fucked off back to Europe, he couldn't hire anyone else and had to fold his company and retire. Then he found out he got cancer and that the NHS had staffing problems due to Brexit. Me, I am better off for it as I fill a niche demand, but I voted against it because it was generally bad for society and I do not always vote in self-interest.
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  - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
    Our business lost around 90% of European customers. Then the odd customer now from Europe emails in a rage because they had to pay import duties… so then having to tell them that ‘Brexit’ happened! You are so right though - most people just will refuse to accept they were taken for fools with all the nasty rhetoric about ‘people coming in to our country’… and so many have even been convinced that ripping up the Human Rights act is somehow a good thing (??? Wtf!). Rich people manipulating the minds of poor people was what Brexit was all about. At the time I was convinced this was a Russian move to make UK weaker. But then again, I was convinced for many years that Trump was a Russian asset to make America implode (which is kind of what happened). All this hate for foreigners. It’s disgusting.

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r00fus 2y ago

See, this is the thing - this propaganda is only meant as the "rationale" that goes along with the real bribe - campaign funding from the likes of AIPAC and DMfI. The funding is what secures these politicians' votes. The propaganda is what the politicians can use to justify their actions to everyone else. That it's laughably bad is a function less of the capabilities of Israel than the utter fealty that these politicans have to the Israeli cause.