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We've made an open source alternative OpenRecall to address some of the concerns https://github.com/openrecall/openrecall https://github.com/openrecall/openreca

by fossr 2y ago

We've made an open source alternative OpenRecall to address some of the concerns https://github.com/openrecall/openrecall https://github.com/openrecall/openrecall We want to make it fully auditable, privacy focused and aim to have a better security model. Everything runs and is stored locally and only analyzed using open source models.

hesdeadjim 2y ago
Not sure how this addresses some of the real concerns behind Recall, an example being if my password manager is open and showing data I don't want saved anywhere else.
- joshstrange 2y ago
  On macOS (I assume a similar feature is on Windows) I believe an app/window can specify that it has secrets or is "private". I think is this what rewind.ai uses to skip capture, or maybe it's that the screen capture API's in macOS already filter out those private windows.
- fossr 2y ago
  Yeah you're right. We have it on our roadmap to allow the user to blacklist apps. A default list of apps will be included such as password manager.
  - hesdeadjim 2y ago
    If you care about privacy and security it should be a whitelist, not blacklist.
- TiredOfLife 2y ago
  You can exclude arbitrary apps. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-steps-with-recall-aa03f8a0-a78b-4b3e-b0a1-2eb8ac48701c#:~:text=To%20exclude%20an%20app https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-ste...: Of course reading documentation or investigating is not necessary for writing clickbait.
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wrs 2y ago
Recall has local storage too, and lack of auditing or open source models are not the primary complaints. It’s the existence of this data store at all. If you can find a way to let the user see it without letting Infostealer (or the user’s boss, or the user’s abusive spouse) see it, you’re getting somewhere. Recall is kind of the same expectation violation as when Snapchat users figured out you could take screenshots.
giancarlostoro 2y ago
Nice, I might check this out since it works on Linux and is coded in Python. Honestly, if Microsoft came out tomorrow and just said "Look, here's the source code to Recall, we will not diverge it from this codebase in any way, and you should be able to create builds that match what's on your machine" that would be fine. Microsoft, STOP FORCING GARBAGE MARKETING AND NEW FEATURES ON USERS. You have a high quality product you're trashing up. I've sworn off Windows since Windows 10/11. I am a daily Linux user thanks to all the nonsense. The only time you see me on Windows is my employer pays for it, but given a choice, I'd just ask for a Mac or Linux device instead. I'm done. When you make an OS that's just that, an OS. Come talk to me. I would gladly pay money out of my own pocket for "Windows Core OS" and its just stripped down, and NEVER forces to advertise Office, or OneDrive, or Cortana or any of the things we never asked for.
- binkHN 2y ago
  > I am a daily Linux user thanks to all the nonsense. Microsoft's misbehavior is a blessing in disguise.
  - giancarlostoro 2y ago
    Been a Linux user on and off, but mainly used Windows for gaming. Linux has gotten good enough, especially Ubuntu and POP OS, its just a breeze to use.
- jareklupinski 2y ago
  > I would gladly pay money out of my own pocket for "Windows Core OS" and its just stripped down, and NEVER forces to advertise Office, or OneDrive, or Cortana or any of the things we never asked for. i'm only going from win10 LTSC to either a similar version of 11, or debian for me it was the purposely depressing news articles just showing up all over the start menu :(
  - nerdjon 2y ago
    Windows 10 LTSC really is amazing and I am anxiously (and slightly nervously that Microsoft is going to screw it up somehow) waiting for 11 LTSC. Particularly for gaming, takes care of all the compatibility problems with none of the crap thrown in. Even performs better as a bonus.

by fossr 2y ago

hesdeadjim 2y ago

Not sure how this addresses some of the real concerns behind Recall, an example being if my password manager is open and showing data I don't want saved anywhere else.

joshstrange 2y ago
On macOS (I assume a similar feature is on Windows) I believe an app/window can specify that it has secrets or is "private". I think is this what rewind.ai uses to skip capture, or maybe it's that the screen capture API's in macOS already filter out those private windows.
fossr 2y ago
Yeah you're right. We have it on our roadmap to allow the user to blacklist apps. A default list of apps will be included such as password manager.
- hesdeadjim 2y ago
  If you care about privacy and security it should be a whitelist, not blacklist.
TiredOfLife 2y ago
You can exclude arbitrary apps. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-steps-with-recall-aa03f8a0-a78b-4b3e-b0a1-2eb8ac48701c#:~:text=To%20exclude%20an%20app https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-ste...: Of course reading documentation or investigating is not necessary for writing clickbait.

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wrs 2y ago

Recall has local storage too, and lack of auditing or open source models are not the primary complaints. It’s the existence of this data store at all. If you can find a way to let the user see it without letting Infostealer (or the user’s boss, or the user’s abusive spouse) see it, you’re getting somewhere. Recall is kind of the same expectation violation as when Snapchat users figured out you could take screenshots.

giancarlostoro 2y ago

Nice, I might check this out since it works on Linux and is coded in Python. Honestly, if Microsoft came out tomorrow and just said "Look, here's the source code to Recall, we will not diverge it from this codebase in any way, and you should be able to create builds that match what's on your machine" that would be fine. Microsoft, STOP FORCING GARBAGE MARKETING AND NEW FEATURES ON USERS. You have a high quality product you're trashing up. I've sworn off Windows since Windows 10/11. I am a daily Linux user thanks to all the nonsense. The only time you see me on Windows is my employer pays for it, but given a choice, I'd just ask for a Mac or Linux device instead. I'm done. When you make an OS that's just that, an OS. Come talk to me. I would gladly pay money out of my own pocket for "Windows Core OS" and its just stripped down, and NEVER forces to advertise Office, or OneDrive, or Cortana or any of the things we never asked for.

binkHN 2y ago
> I am a daily Linux user thanks to all the nonsense. Microsoft's misbehavior is a blessing in disguise.
- giancarlostoro 2y ago
  Been a Linux user on and off, but mainly used Windows for gaming. Linux has gotten good enough, especially Ubuntu and POP OS, its just a breeze to use.
jareklupinski 2y ago
> I would gladly pay money out of my own pocket for "Windows Core OS" and its just stripped down, and NEVER forces to advertise Office, or OneDrive, or Cortana or any of the things we never asked for. i'm only going from win10 LTSC to either a similar version of 11, or debian for me it was the purposely depressing news articles just showing up all over the start menu :(
- nerdjon 2y ago
  Windows 10 LTSC really is amazing and I am anxiously (and slightly nervously that Microsoft is going to screw it up somehow) waiting for 11 LTSC. Particularly for gaming, takes care of all the compatibility problems with none of the crap thrown in. Even performs better as a bonus.