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Oh wow I thought only France has squatting problem. here the squatters can legally occupy your place for 48 hours, and if that's your only place and you went aw

by dgan 2y ago

Oh wow I thought only France has squatting problem. here the squatters can legally occupy your place for 48 hours, and if that's your only place and you went away on vacation tough luck buddy, they can shit on the floor and tear the walls down Good luck getting your money/property back

diggan 2y ago
I'd see as both Spain and France has a housing crisis, the squatting is a symptom of that problem. Guess the difference is that in Spain if you detect them within 48 hours of them entering the property, you can "easily" and legally remove them with the help of the courts and police. But once you're beyond those 48 hours, things get a lot harder.
- alexpc201 2y ago
  I don't know where you read about the existence of those magical "48 hours" to kick them out; that possibility doesn't exist in practice.
mijamo 2y ago
This is obviously not accurate. The 48h delay is not 48h after squatters entered the place, but 48h after you DISCOVERED them. And after those 48h you will still get your property back, just much more slowly because it is just not considered an emergency anymore if you discover a problem and don't signal it immediately. If you go on vacation for 3 weeks, discover squatters when you come back and can prove you are the owner you will get the squatters kicked out in less than 24 hours, plus potentially arrested. And it makes sense, otherwise everyone would be squatting houses all the time!
- pc86 2y ago
  Well most people aren't criminals so no I don't think "everyone would be squatting houses all the time" is accurate under any realistic scenario. What happens if the police don't respond? You discover them at the beginning of a long holiday weekend? It's a second residence and you discover them as you open the door to let your family stay there? The mental gymnastics people will go through to try to justify someone breaking & entering and trespassing on someone else's private property is insane. They are criminals and should be treated as such, regardless of when you find them, regardless of whether you report it immediately or take a few days to try to reason with them or not.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    They are not criminals if the law says they are not. They are definitely delinquents, but calling that a crime is a stretch, no lives are at risks.
    - pc86 2y ago
      I was unaware the definition of a crime is that someone's life is at risk.
      - nephanth 2y ago
        Language barrier here. In French legal terms "crime" has a much heavier meaning that in American legal terms
        pc86 2y ago
        This is very interesting, thank you!
- alexpc201 2y ago
  It is not what happens in Barcelona. For six months the "okupas" have been inside an apartment that a family left completely closed to go away for a weekend, the Mossos arrived 15 minutes after the occupation, probably alerted by "Securitas" and did absolutely nothing. Saw everything from my window, and now I’m terrified if I have to leave my house for one day.
  - rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 2y ago
    >It is not what happens in Barcelona. Of course not since it's a city in a different country with different laws.
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  - diggan 2y ago
    > It is not what happens in Barcelona. For six months the "okupas" have been inside an apartment that a family left completely closed to go away for a weekend, the Mossos arrived 15 minutes after the occupation If that was the primary residence of the family, it wouldn't be considered a "occupation" as discussed in this submission, but rather "breaking and entering" ("allanamiento de morada", or similar), and police should definitely get them out ASAP, anything else is a disgrace. But again, has nothing to do with okupas because it wouldn't be considered an occupation in the first place. Try go to the local news, because if the police does nothing about this, I'm 100% sure the news are interested in this story.
skitout 2y ago
1) If it is where you lived they always could be (and were) kicked out quickly (and it was not that simple in other situations) 2) Now the law changed and it is much easier and faster to kick them out. It was always illegal to squat, now sanction are higher 3) Most squatters are not targeting houses. And all the time squats are mainly building not used for years (as it safer and easier for squatters, and sometimes as a way to "minimize" disturbances) Please note that in Holland some kind of squat were legals for years (only for building not used for years and with obligation to not damage the property and to give it back quickly). Seems interesting to me

by dgan 2y ago

diggan 2y ago

I'd see as both Spain and France has a housing crisis, the squatting is a symptom of that problem. Guess the difference is that in Spain if you detect them within 48 hours of them entering the property, you can "easily" and legally remove them with the help of the courts and police. But once you're beyond those 48 hours, things get a lot harder.

alexpc201 2y ago
I don't know where you read about the existence of those magical "48 hours" to kick them out; that possibility doesn't exist in practice.

mijamo 2y ago

This is obviously not accurate. The 48h delay is not 48h after squatters entered the place, but 48h after you DISCOVERED them. And after those 48h you will still get your property back, just much more slowly because it is just not considered an emergency anymore if you discover a problem and don't signal it immediately. If you go on vacation for 3 weeks, discover squatters when you come back and can prove you are the owner you will get the squatters kicked out in less than 24 hours, plus potentially arrested. And it makes sense, otherwise everyone would be squatting houses all the time!

pc86 2y ago
Well most people aren't criminals so no I don't think "everyone would be squatting houses all the time" is accurate under any realistic scenario. What happens if the police don't respond? You discover them at the beginning of a long holiday weekend? It's a second residence and you discover them as you open the door to let your family stay there? The mental gymnastics people will go through to try to justify someone breaking & entering and trespassing on someone else's private property is insane. They are criminals and should be treated as such, regardless of when you find them, regardless of whether you report it immediately or take a few days to try to reason with them or not.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  They are not criminals if the law says they are not. They are definitely delinquents, but calling that a crime is a stretch, no lives are at risks.
  - pc86 2y ago
    I was unaware the definition of a crime is that someone's life is at risk.
    - nephanth 2y ago
      Language barrier here. In French legal terms "crime" has a much heavier meaning that in American legal terms
      - pc86 2y ago
        This is very interesting, thank you!
alexpc201 2y ago
It is not what happens in Barcelona. For six months the "okupas" have been inside an apartment that a family left completely closed to go away for a weekend, the Mossos arrived 15 minutes after the occupation, probably alerted by "Securitas" and did absolutely nothing. Saw everything from my window, and now I’m terrified if I have to leave my house for one day.
- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 2y ago
  >It is not what happens in Barcelona. Of course not since it's a city in a different country with different laws.
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- diggan 2y ago
  > It is not what happens in Barcelona. For six months the "okupas" have been inside an apartment that a family left completely closed to go away for a weekend, the Mossos arrived 15 minutes after the occupation If that was the primary residence of the family, it wouldn't be considered a "occupation" as discussed in this submission, but rather "breaking and entering" ("allanamiento de morada", or similar), and police should definitely get them out ASAP, anything else is a disgrace. But again, has nothing to do with okupas because it wouldn't be considered an occupation in the first place. Try go to the local news, because if the police does nothing about this, I'm 100% sure the news are interested in this story.

skitout 2y ago

1) If it is where you lived they always could be (and were) kicked out quickly (and it was not that simple in other situations) 2) Now the law changed and it is much easier and faster to kick them out. It was always illegal to squat, now sanction are higher 3) Most squatters are not targeting houses. And all the time squats are mainly building not used for years (as it safer and easier for squatters, and sometimes as a way to "minimize" disturbances) Please note that in Holland some kind of squat were legals for years (only for building not used for years and with obligation to not damage the property and to give it back quickly). Seems interesting to me