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Eh. I like that this discourages usage of tray icons, which is a good thing. Your app doesn't need a tray icon, almost all apps don't. I remember back on window

by dpedu 2y ago

Eh. I like that this discourages usage of tray icons, which is a good thing. Your app doesn't need a tray icon, almost all apps don't. I remember back on windows xp, it felt like every darn app needed its own tray icon for some reason. To be fair, windows xp did have the ability to hide and show certain icons built-in.

wlesieutre 2y ago
> I like that this discourages usage of tray icons, which is a good thing. Your app doesn't need a tray icon, almost all apps don't Well clearly that's not working because every app has a tray icon. It's time to catch up with Windows XP and let users control which ones are important and which ones get hidden. And the hidden ones should still be accessible. Bartender really nailed all that and it's sad that a 3rd party has to come in and fix this.
- dpedu 2y ago
  We'd be more likely to see Apple apply their infamous restrictions here, as opposed to opening things up more and lettings developers go hog wild. Bartender exists because it's a solution to a problem.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Almost 100% of the apps with tray icons don't really need them. They're basically marketing: If you're in charge of brand management for an app company, and there is a way to get your brand on the user's screen at all times for free, you're going to always do it, regardless of whether or not the user needs it there. Just stick some kind of context menu on the icon so you can at least justify it. I'd love to know the actual end-user click rate for these tray icons. I bet many are near zero.
  - dpedu 2y ago
    What's comical about this is that most apps ALREADY have a persistent icon on the screen - the Dock icon. From what I've seen, most mac users don't enable dock hiding, so it's always there. It's just bad design.
    - 3D30497420 2y ago
      Somewhat. I have a corporate laptop that include a bunch of system admin/security/network apps, plus others that don't show in the dock (Meeter, Magnet, etc.).
    - wlesieutre 2y ago
      Ironically, a lot of the menu extras are 3rd party utilities for window management, display management, power management, hotkeys, search, etc. being used to supplement parts of the OS with limited built-in capability, but then to fix all the menu extras you have to install another one because macOS sucks at that too These types of things tend to not have a dock icon, because they run in the background and don’t have their own windows that you common interact with or need to activate

by dpedu 2y ago

wlesieutre 2y ago

> I like that this discourages usage of tray icons, which is a good thing. Your app doesn't need a tray icon, almost all apps don't Well clearly that's not working because every app has a tray icon. It's time to catch up with Windows XP and let users control which ones are important and which ones get hidden. And the hidden ones should still be accessible. Bartender really nailed all that and it's sad that a 3rd party has to come in and fix this.

dpedu 2y ago
We'd be more likely to see Apple apply their infamous restrictions here, as opposed to opening things up more and lettings developers go hog wild. Bartender exists because it's a solution to a problem.
ryandrake 2y ago
Almost 100% of the apps with tray icons don't really need them. They're basically marketing: If you're in charge of brand management for an app company, and there is a way to get your brand on the user's screen at all times for free, you're going to always do it, regardless of whether or not the user needs it there. Just stick some kind of context menu on the icon so you can at least justify it. I'd love to know the actual end-user click rate for these tray icons. I bet many are near zero.
- dpedu 2y ago
  What's comical about this is that most apps ALREADY have a persistent icon on the screen - the Dock icon. From what I've seen, most mac users don't enable dock hiding, so it's always there. It's just bad design.
  - 3D30497420 2y ago
    Somewhat. I have a corporate laptop that include a bunch of system admin/security/network apps, plus others that don't show in the dock (Meeter, Magnet, etc.).
  - wlesieutre 2y ago
    Ironically, a lot of the menu extras are 3rd party utilities for window management, display management, power management, hotkeys, search, etc. being used to supplement parts of the OS with limited built-in capability, but then to fix all the menu extras you have to install another one because macOS sucks at that too These types of things tend to not have a dock icon, because they run in the background and don’t have their own windows that you common interact with or need to activate