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I bicycle with a camera to protect myself. I'd prefer the rules to be around publishing (which they already are where I live).

mobiuscog 2y ago
That's a good compromise, until you consider stalkers and/or Scientologists.
- matsemann 2y ago
  But that would go under other laws already.
jraph 2y ago
Okay but include "storing on someone else's computer" in the definition of "publishing" in this case. I don't want to be recorded and uploaded to Google or Dropbox without my consent. Although it's not totally satisfying: a record can leak. No record is the only guarantee for no leak.
- boffinAudio 2y ago
  "Publishing" means making something available to the public. It does not mean making my own copy of something.
  - jraph 2y ago
    I know. Let me rephrase my comment: I think the publishing restriction of the law is not quite enough, also make "storing your private copy on Google Drive or Dropbox" illegal. If you store your private copy on Google and Dropbox, you are not publishing it but you are sharing it with them. And I don't trust them. They could for instance decide to train models on my image or fulfill requests from law enforcement and my data gets somehow involved and I don't want them to. I believe the law could have been written at a time when the cloud was not common, and just restricting publication was enough. It isn't anymore IMHO.
    - boffinAudio 2y ago
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      - jraph 2y ago
        I don't have a say in what licenses whoever films me agrees to. This is exactly why I don't want people filming me to store the film there. I have a feeling you are misreading my comments, it is highly illogical and surprising you would invite me to read the fine lines in Google's and Dropbox's terms and conditions.
        boffinAudio 2y ago
        >also make "storing your private copy on Google Drive or Dropbox" illegal. It already is illegal to make photo's available to third parties for commercial purposes, which is what is happening when you upload your pictures to Google Drive or Dropbox. So, prosecute it when it happens. Don't prejudice the law against people exercising their human rights - use the law when the criminal act has been committed, not before. > illogical Its illogical to expect that anything you do in a public, common part of the world, cannot be recorded by you or anyone else around you. This prevents our societies from having a functional system - to gain evidence, to make natural observations about our environment, and so on.
        jraph 2y ago
        > It already is illegal to make photo's available to third parties for commercial purposes, which is what is happening when you upload your pictures to Google Drive or Dropbox. I don't think so, no. > the law against people exercising their human rights My privacy is also a human right. The law is there to make sure conflicting stuff is correctly handled. >> Its illogical to expect you do in a public, common part of the world, cannot be recorded by you or anyone else around you I don't expect not to be recorded. I expect to be recorded and that some of this hits the GAFAMs. I want that last part outlawed. You don't seem interested in an interesting, good faith, appeased discussion as shown by your subtle ways to misrepresent what I'm saying, which, intended or not, makes me look stupid, and your way of strongly and quickly asserting with a total lack of arguments and nuance instead of gently questioning. I'm not out there for that stuff so I'll stop there. I'm not sure what your goal is but I won't participate anymore.

mobiuscog 2y ago

That's a good compromise, until you consider stalkers and/or Scientologists.

matsemann 2y ago
But that would go under other laws already.

jraph 2y ago

Okay but include "storing on someone else's computer" in the definition of "publishing" in this case. I don't want to be recorded and uploaded to Google or Dropbox without my consent. Although it's not totally satisfying: a record can leak. No record is the only guarantee for no leak.

boffinAudio 2y ago
"Publishing" means making something available to the public. It does not mean making my own copy of something.
- jraph 2y ago
  I know. Let me rephrase my comment: I think the publishing restriction of the law is not quite enough, also make "storing your private copy on Google Drive or Dropbox" illegal. If you store your private copy on Google and Dropbox, you are not publishing it but you are sharing it with them. And I don't trust them. They could for instance decide to train models on my image or fulfill requests from law enforcement and my data gets somehow involved and I don't want them to. I believe the law could have been written at a time when the cloud was not common, and just restricting publication was enough. It isn't anymore IMHO.
  - boffinAudio 2y ago
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    - jraph 2y ago
      I don't have a say in what licenses whoever films me agrees to. This is exactly why I don't want people filming me to store the film there. I have a feeling you are misreading my comments, it is highly illogical and surprising you would invite me to read the fine lines in Google's and Dropbox's terms and conditions.
      - boffinAudio 2y ago
        >also make "storing your private copy on Google Drive or Dropbox" illegal. It already is illegal to make photo's available to third parties for commercial purposes, which is what is happening when you upload your pictures to Google Drive or Dropbox. So, prosecute it when it happens. Don't prejudice the law against people exercising their human rights - use the law when the criminal act has been committed, not before. > illogical Its illogical to expect that anything you do in a public, common part of the world, cannot be recorded by you or anyone else around you. This prevents our societies from having a functional system - to gain evidence, to make natural observations about our environment, and so on.
        jraph 2y ago
        > It already is illegal to make photo's available to third parties for commercial purposes, which is what is happening when you upload your pictures to Google Drive or Dropbox. I don't think so, no. > the law against people exercising their human rights My privacy is also a human right. The law is there to make sure conflicting stuff is correctly handled. >> Its illogical to expect you do in a public, common part of the world, cannot be recorded by you or anyone else around you I don't expect not to be recorded. I expect to be recorded and that some of this hits the GAFAMs. I want that last part outlawed. You don't seem interested in an interesting, good faith, appeased discussion as shown by your subtle ways to misrepresent what I'm saying, which, intended or not, makes me look stupid, and your way of strongly and quickly asserting with a total lack of arguments and nuance instead of gently questioning. I'm not out there for that stuff so I'll stop there. I'm not sure what your goal is but I won't participate anymore.