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Thats like saying I am well positioned at the end of a gun's barrel if the bullet comes out the other way.

wakawaka28 2y ago
Lol EVs are a joke, and politicians will be forced to admit it. Toyota knows exactly what they are doing, and it is to provide us with cars that meet our needs. They also make what is arguably the most reliable and well-tested hybrid, the Prius, and they could make EVs. Toyota's CEO has said that EVs can only serve 30% of consumers, and he's right.
- pcardoso 2y ago
  I think the joke is not facing how we are going to get oil in the future. Toyota had a huge success with the Prius and then just slept on it for almost two decades. I had a 2nd generation, loved it but Toyota had nothing suitable on their lineup when I wanted to replace it. The newer Prius were just too little, too late.
  - adamomada 2y ago
    In colder climates I cannot see EVs being relied upon by people. The kind of places you still need the electricity to keep the engine from freezing overnight would destroy a battery’s capacity and from what energy that’s left you’d be wasting a bunch of it on heating the cabin.
    - A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
      Be that as it may, in Norway, which sure ain't tropical, EVs make up >91% of new vehicles sold. An amazing statistic. > https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-information/news/norwegian-ev-market-surges-915-market-share-setting-sustainable-example https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-i... So they're finding a way to make it work. Granted, Norway doesn't get as cold as parts of the upper Midwest...
      - adamomada 2y ago
        I’ll admit I had no idea about their weather, let’s have a look https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/norway https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/norway Rarely below freezing on the west coast and maybe 5C below zero in the north? Norway doesn’t get as cold as New York
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    I think the bigger joke is not facing for how you'll get electricity in the future, or how much it will cost. About 80% of electricity in the US is produced with fossil fuels. And this demand is expected to skyrocket with AI and EV demand. There will be no carbon reduction with EVs, at least for probably a hundred years (if ever) because of how much infrastructure has to be replaced and upgraded to support the dream of zero carbon. We're talking about hundreds of nuclear power plants, distribution hubs, upgraded roads and parking structures, not to mention replacing all the cars with much heavier and resource-intensive EVs. Heavy equipment and trucks won't make sense to convert to EVs, notwithstanding some huge battery breakthroughs that we don't foresee. I do think oil scarcity could be a major problem, but if that starts to happen in our lifetimes then electric vehicles won't need to be mandated. They will be the more economical choice naturally at some point.
lupusreal 2y ago
Most consumers aren't interested in EVs, despite all the looming mandates and all the touted benefits. In light of evident public opinion, a populist backlash against mandates seems like a decent bet.

Lol EVs are a joke, and politicians will be forced to admit it. Toyota knows exactly what they are doing, and it is to provide us with cars that meet our needs. They also make what is arguably the most reliable and well-tested hybrid, the Prius, and they could make EVs. Toyota's CEO has said that EVs can only serve 30% of consumers, and he's right.

pcardoso 2y ago
I think the joke is not facing how we are going to get oil in the future. Toyota had a huge success with the Prius and then just slept on it for almost two decades. I had a 2nd generation, loved it but Toyota had nothing suitable on their lineup when I wanted to replace it. The newer Prius were just too little, too late.
- adamomada 2y ago
  In colder climates I cannot see EVs being relied upon by people. The kind of places you still need the electricity to keep the engine from freezing overnight would destroy a battery’s capacity and from what energy that’s left you’d be wasting a bunch of it on heating the cabin.
  - A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
    Be that as it may, in Norway, which sure ain't tropical, EVs make up >91% of new vehicles sold. An amazing statistic. > https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-information/news/norwegian-ev-market-surges-915-market-share-setting-sustainable-example https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-i... So they're finding a way to make it work. Granted, Norway doesn't get as cold as parts of the upper Midwest...
    - adamomada 2y ago
      I’ll admit I had no idea about their weather, let’s have a look https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/norway https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/norway Rarely below freezing on the west coast and maybe 5C below zero in the north? Norway doesn’t get as cold as New York
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  I think the bigger joke is not facing for how you'll get electricity in the future, or how much it will cost. About 80% of electricity in the US is produced with fossil fuels. And this demand is expected to skyrocket with AI and EV demand. There will be no carbon reduction with EVs, at least for probably a hundred years (if ever) because of how much infrastructure has to be replaced and upgraded to support the dream of zero carbon. We're talking about hundreds of nuclear power plants, distribution hubs, upgraded roads and parking structures, not to mention replacing all the cars with much heavier and resource-intensive EVs. Heavy equipment and trucks won't make sense to convert to EVs, notwithstanding some huge battery breakthroughs that we don't foresee. I do think oil scarcity could be a major problem, but if that starts to happen in our lifetimes then electric vehicles won't need to be mandated. They will be the more economical choice naturally at some point.

lupusreal 2y ago

Most consumers aren't interested in EVs, despite all the looming mandates and all the touted benefits. In light of evident public opinion, a populist backlash against mandates seems like a decent bet.