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Domestic Japanese cars currently sold, from what I can tell, do not use engines produced by Daihatsu. They seem to have moved entirely away from them about a de

Domestic Japanese cars currently sold, from what I can tell, do not use engines produced by Daihatsu. They seem to have moved entirely away from them about a decade ago. Where Toyota still uses them are export models and models made domestically in Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam. Under Japanese law, Toyota is guilty because Japanese plants made engines that do not comply with Japanese laws, but the engines are not to be used in Japan. Japanese corporate culture is very different than America's, and they consider this a form of wrongdoing. Although Toyota has been a long term investor in Daihatsu (starting in 1967 and crossing the 50% threshold in 1998; they were approached by Daihatsu's lenders and the Japanese government to help strengthen the post-war car industry to make this investment), they remained an independent company until 2016. All of Daihatsu's apparent crimes all point to being pre-2016.

Dalewyn 2y ago
You really need to do your homework. Wow. This controversy involves Toyota and others falsifying collision safety data, noise data, among many others tested during government certification. Among the models implicated are Toyota's Corolla, by far one of their most popular models. Honda has twenty two models suspected of falsifying data, the most out of the five manufacturers implicated. Daihatsu engines aren't even the tip of the iceberg at this point.
- DiabloD3 2y ago
  If you're correct, then we're looking at the repeat of the whole VW diesel-gate. Unfortunately, VW is still in business. Something like $30-40B? globally in fines, they still sell diesel and ICE cars, people aren't lining up to buy electric cars (thanks to Elon fucking over the entire industry with his ridiculous bullshit). Japan didn't blow the lid off the real estate scam in the 1980s, leading to what started as the "lost decade" and is now becoming the "lost generation", I doubt they're torpedo one of their largest export industries and it's just going to push them further into Great Depression-levels of kicking the can down the road until its too late to fix it. Akio Toyoda and his apparent co-conspirators across the industry won't be fired, won't see jail time, although it may lead to a shuffle in the executive positions to appease the government.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    The only thing in question is how much of this was simple neglect, forced out of practicality (deadlines!), or actually malicious. That the falsifications happened and goes well beyond Daihatsu's shenanigans isn't in doubt. NHK has been spamming their news programs with this controversy, it shouldn't be too hard to read/watch up on it.
  - redeeman 2y ago
    > thanks to Elon fucking over the entire industry with his ridiculous bullshit) are you actually saying that elon has been a negative for the EV industry? if so, are you quite serious?
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
      Maybe not net negative yet but he's doing his best to undo prior gains in public opinion For a variety of reasons, over the last few years, general public reaction has shifted from "Ooh! A Tesla!" to "Ew, a Tesla" FSD promises not met, failure to evolve vehicle designs, the range scandal stuff, the debacle that is the Cybertruck...and yes, also Elon's frequent inability to control his impulses and keep his mouth shut
      - redeeman 2y ago
        you meet very different tesla owners than I do
        sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
        Well there's your problem, you're thinking about Tesla owners. People who already own a Tesla already have an electric vehicle. They might replace it at some point, and it may or may not be replaced by another Tesla. But they're already a member of the electric vehicle owning population. They don't need to be convinced to buy an electric vehicle. I'm talking more about people who own ICE cars today, and their opinions when they see a Tesla, a friend/relative/colleague talks about their Tesla, etc. Elon's behavior and some of Tesla's corporate actions have impacted the brand image of Tesla. Tesla has, through their prior successes, established itself as the face of the electric vehicle industry. As the Tesla brand image degrades, there is a knock-on effect on how electric vehicles are generally seen by people who are not yet electric vehicle owners.

Dalewyn 2y ago

You really need to do your homework. Wow. This controversy involves Toyota and others falsifying collision safety data, noise data, among many others tested during government certification. Among the models implicated are Toyota's Corolla, by far one of their most popular models. Honda has twenty two models suspected of falsifying data, the most out of the five manufacturers implicated. Daihatsu engines aren't even the tip of the iceberg at this point.

DiabloD3 2y ago
If you're correct, then we're looking at the repeat of the whole VW diesel-gate. Unfortunately, VW is still in business. Something like $30-40B? globally in fines, they still sell diesel and ICE cars, people aren't lining up to buy electric cars (thanks to Elon fucking over the entire industry with his ridiculous bullshit). Japan didn't blow the lid off the real estate scam in the 1980s, leading to what started as the "lost decade" and is now becoming the "lost generation", I doubt they're torpedo one of their largest export industries and it's just going to push them further into Great Depression-levels of kicking the can down the road until its too late to fix it. Akio Toyoda and his apparent co-conspirators across the industry won't be fired, won't see jail time, although it may lead to a shuffle in the executive positions to appease the government.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  The only thing in question is how much of this was simple neglect, forced out of practicality (deadlines!), or actually malicious. That the falsifications happened and goes well beyond Daihatsu's shenanigans isn't in doubt. NHK has been spamming their news programs with this controversy, it shouldn't be too hard to read/watch up on it.
- redeeman 2y ago
  > thanks to Elon fucking over the entire industry with his ridiculous bullshit) are you actually saying that elon has been a negative for the EV industry? if so, are you quite serious?
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
    Maybe not net negative yet but he's doing his best to undo prior gains in public opinion For a variety of reasons, over the last few years, general public reaction has shifted from "Ooh! A Tesla!" to "Ew, a Tesla" FSD promises not met, failure to evolve vehicle designs, the range scandal stuff, the debacle that is the Cybertruck...and yes, also Elon's frequent inability to control his impulses and keep his mouth shut
    - redeeman 2y ago
      you meet very different tesla owners than I do
      - sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
        Well there's your problem, you're thinking about Tesla owners. People who already own a Tesla already have an electric vehicle. They might replace it at some point, and it may or may not be replaced by another Tesla. But they're already a member of the electric vehicle owning population. They don't need to be convinced to buy an electric vehicle. I'm talking more about people who own ICE cars today, and their opinions when they see a Tesla, a friend/relative/colleague talks about their Tesla, etc. Elon's behavior and some of Tesla's corporate actions have impacted the brand image of Tesla. Tesla has, through their prior successes, established itself as the face of the electric vehicle industry. As the Tesla brand image degrades, there is a knock-on effect on how electric vehicles are generally seen by people who are not yet electric vehicle owners.