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How long have your shop been using CL ? I understand the value of mainstream languages at the group level (ability to distribute work through simple layers), b

How long have your shop been using CL ? I understand the value of mainstream languages at the group level (ability to distribute work through simple layers), but my brain doesn't like this way of working. I used to churn a lot on my own and I miss some of that (the speed and the ability to find creative / novel ways to solve problems).

anonzzzies 2y ago
We started with c# decades ago, but lisp (and prolog by the way) kept nagging, so about 8-9 years ago I started getting my senior devs in workshops ; after about 6 months some of them asked wtf we are doing with that c# stuff?! While that is unfair, the debugging experience, stability, flexibility etc are more painful for my taste. Also, the biggest complaint by many; I have not found any cases where packages we were missing in lisp but are there in nupkg or npm actually sped up any work in the long run. Our work is very regulated (so we check, read and fork the stuff we use to make sure nothing bad lands in prod) and our integrations almost never have integration packages available and if they have them, they are out of date or very badly done because everyone just does it from scratch to make sure. Maybe we are weird and that is fine, but, if there is one thing; we iterate faster than our competitors.
- agumonkey 2y ago
  > While that is unfair, the debugging experience, stability, flexibility etc are more painful for my taste. You mean c# debugging and stability are bad relative to your own debugging workflow (I can imagine how CL makes things way faster) ? > lisp (and prolog by the way) Talk about low odds, I don't know how many shops use both but that seems like a rare gem. btw you use swipl as your prolog implem ? Do you do conferences discussing some of your work ? I'd be very interesting in following that :)

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How long have your shop been using CL ? I understand the value of mainstream languages at the group level (ability to distribute work through simple layers), b

by agumonkey 2y ago

anonzzzies 2y ago
We started with c# decades ago, but lisp (and prolog by the way) kept nagging, so about 8-9 years ago I started getting my senior devs in workshops ; after about 6 months some of them asked wtf we are doing with that c# stuff?! While that is unfair, the debugging experience, stability, flexibility etc are more painful for my taste. Also, the biggest complaint by many; I have not found any cases where packages we were missing in lisp but are there in nupkg or npm actually sped up any work in the long run. Our work is very regulated (so we check, read and fork the stuff we use to make sure nothing bad lands in prod) and our integrations almost never have integration packages available and if they have them, they are out of date or very badly done because everyone just does it from scratch to make sure. Maybe we are weird and that is fine, but, if there is one thing; we iterate faster than our competitors.
- agumonkey 2y ago
  > While that is unfair, the debugging experience, stability, flexibility etc are more painful for my taste. You mean c# debugging and stability are bad relative to your own debugging workflow (I can imagine how CL makes things way faster) ? > lisp (and prolog by the way) Talk about low odds, I don't know how many shops use both but that seems like a rare gem. btw you use swipl as your prolog implem ? Do you do conferences discussing some of your work ? I'd be very interesting in following that :)