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Not for a very long time. The current prescription opioid crisis is for the millions of patients in pain unable to get any pain meds (ex: ibupofen following sur

Not for a very long time. The current prescription opioid crisis is for the millions of patients in pain unable to get any pain meds (ex: ibupofen following surgery).

whimsicalism 2y ago
lots of people i see posting about the difficulty of availability stuff seem to be drug seeking for chronic reasons
- vsuperpower2020 2y ago
  It depends on the doctor. Seeing as some doctors give them too freely and others would rather let patients suffer, I propose we just save time and use a roulette table. It's transparent, easy, and you know exactly why you're been awarded or deprived of pain medication.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    no the sad facts are that modern non-opioid pain treatment is very often more effective than opioids .. I believe there are research studies easily found that show that.
spondylosaurus 2y ago
Even people who get their hands on opioids (to use or abuse) frequently do because they're an order of magnitude cheaper than therapeutic drugs. Biologics to treat inflammatory arthritis can run thousands of dollars a month without insurance. Generic tramadol to mask the pain of inflammatory arthritis is less than fifty bucks a month with GoodRx.
serf 2y ago
>The current prescription opioid crisis is for the millions of patients in pain unable to get any pain med as a person with a dear family member who is addicted to opiates and watches their compulsive behavior of going from new doctor to new doctor for prescriptions and samples I suggest there is more than one 'opioid crisis' unfolding.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  i think another thing is people don't realize how well-heeled a lot of opiate addicts are, so they see someone from a similar class background to them talking about the difficulty of getting opiates and they automatically assume they are not drug-seeking. addiction does not see class, especially for these drugs
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  > I suggest there is more than one 'opioid crisis' unfolding. I qualified it as the prescription opioid crisis. It gets conflated with the current fentanyl crisis. But the pill mill crisis peaked decades ago and waned not long after. Fentanyl overdose cases now include people who hadn't even been born when pill mills were the driver. Yet, the association continues. For nearly as long, we've had Dr's who serially refuse to prescribe pain relief, for fear of risking their license. Compounding that are draconian state laws, some so extreme they limit pain meds to 3 days max. For over a decade, chronic pain patients ...as in, people I know ...as in people who once managed their pain and lived their lives, now they don't. Instead, people I know obtain pain relief (what little they can manage) illegally because it is the only viable option left to them. This is not hyperbole. This is their reality. Right now. A few, blessedly, are helped by Kratom. Which is more than nothing. Sometimes a lot more. Unfortunately, lawmakers are also learning of Kratom. I'm already hearing pols testing some fear-generating rhetoric about it. If they can inject the problem then they get to supply the solution. Which will be a ban. It's always a ban. No matter the collateral damage.
mistrial9 2y ago
Two California doctors accused of gross negligence for excessive opiate prescriptions -- The Medical Board of California recommended that Drs. Robert D. Siew and Elisa Cuellar Alvarado have their licenses revoked or suspended

Not for a very long time. The current prescription opioid crisis is for the millions of patients in pain unable to get any pain meds (ex: ibupofen following surgery).

whimsicalism 2y ago

lots of people i see posting about the difficulty of availability stuff seem to be drug seeking for chronic reasons

vsuperpower2020 2y ago
It depends on the doctor. Seeing as some doctors give them too freely and others would rather let patients suffer, I propose we just save time and use a roulette table. It's transparent, easy, and you know exactly why you're been awarded or deprived of pain medication.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  no the sad facts are that modern non-opioid pain treatment is very often more effective than opioids .. I believe there are research studies easily found that show that.

spondylosaurus 2y ago

Even people who get their hands on opioids (to use or abuse) frequently do because they're an order of magnitude cheaper than therapeutic drugs. Biologics to treat inflammatory arthritis can run thousands of dollars a month without insurance. Generic tramadol to mask the pain of inflammatory arthritis is less than fifty bucks a month with GoodRx.

serf 2y ago

>The current prescription opioid crisis is for the millions of patients in pain unable to get any pain med as a person with a dear family member who is addicted to opiates and watches their compulsive behavior of going from new doctor to new doctor for prescriptions and samples I suggest there is more than one 'opioid crisis' unfolding.

whimsicalism 2y ago
i think another thing is people don't realize how well-heeled a lot of opiate addicts are, so they see someone from a similar class background to them talking about the difficulty of getting opiates and they automatically assume they are not drug-seeking. addiction does not see class, especially for these drugs
WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
> I suggest there is more than one 'opioid crisis' unfolding. I qualified it as the prescription opioid crisis. It gets conflated with the current fentanyl crisis. But the pill mill crisis peaked decades ago and waned not long after. Fentanyl overdose cases now include people who hadn't even been born when pill mills were the driver. Yet, the association continues. For nearly as long, we've had Dr's who serially refuse to prescribe pain relief, for fear of risking their license. Compounding that are draconian state laws, some so extreme they limit pain meds to 3 days max. For over a decade, chronic pain patients ...as in, people I know ...as in people who once managed their pain and lived their lives, now they don't. Instead, people I know obtain pain relief (what little they can manage) illegally because it is the only viable option left to them. This is not hyperbole. This is their reality. Right now. A few, blessedly, are helped by Kratom. Which is more than nothing. Sometimes a lot more. Unfortunately, lawmakers are also learning of Kratom. I'm already hearing pols testing some fear-generating rhetoric about it. If they can inject the problem then they get to supply the solution. Which will be a ban. It's always a ban. No matter the collateral damage.

mistrial9 2y ago

Two California doctors accused of gross negligence for excessive opiate prescriptions -- The Medical Board of California recommended that Drs. Robert D. Siew and Elisa Cuellar Alvarado have their licenses revoked or suspended