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I think it's simpler: these web services have zero tangible value and end users know it and aren't going to pay for it.

by cjk2 2y ago

jwagenet 2y ago
Sure just like movies, video games, fine dining, skydiving… They might provide you some kind of mental entertainment, but certainly don’t tangibly benefit you (the nourishment of fine dining not withstanding).
- beardicus 2y ago
  very strange that "joy" is not a tangible benefit to you.
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    I think the jwagenet's point was that Instagram brings joy to many of its users, much like movies, video games, fine dining and skydiving can bring joy.
  - jwagenet 2y ago
    I was sharing the parent’s myopic view. Maybe instagram and the like don’t bring you joy, but it certainly brings joy to many people, in addition to a way to stay connected with friends, keep up to date with event schedules like live music or new releases, and a means to run a business… to name a few.
    - JohnMakin 2y ago
      > in addition to a way to stay connected with friends, It's been exceptionally terrible at this for a long, long time now. For instance - had a friend I hadn't talked to in a while (as happens as you grow older, sometimes you only talk to people every 1-2 years but remain friendly) died recently. It popped up in my feed, somewhat as a shock to me - he had had cancer for the last year. Now, it's definitely on me for not keeping in contact more frequently, but I was shocked at how many updates about it I saw on his page that never once made it to my feed. Facebook didn't think a guy I'd been friends with on the platform for a decade and had 200+ mutual connections was anything I'd be interested in. It's explicitly anti-social by design. As for the other things in your list, I've never found any value to any of that but I acknowledge some might. I also don't think you need a platform like FB/IG to do either of those things and the only value they provide is the network effect.
- 8note 2y ago
  Those all provide me entertainment, which Instagram does not. It's people who use Instagram that are making the entertainment and deserve the pay, not Instagram itself. Instagram provides a high latency poor resolution picture and short video service with comments, which you can get from anyone and everyone on today's web.

I think it's simpler: these web services have zero tangible value and end users know it and aren't going to pay for it.

by cjk2 2y ago

I think it's simpler: these web services have zero tangible value and end users know it and aren't going to pay for it.

Sure just like movies, video games, fine dining, skydiving… They might provide you some kind of mental entertainment, but certainly don’t tangibly benefit you (the nourishment of fine dining not withstanding).

beardicus 2y ago
very strange that "joy" is not a tangible benefit to you.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  I think the jwagenet's point was that Instagram brings joy to many of its users, much like movies, video games, fine dining and skydiving can bring joy.
- jwagenet 2y ago
  I was sharing the parent’s myopic view. Maybe instagram and the like don’t bring you joy, but it certainly brings joy to many people, in addition to a way to stay connected with friends, keep up to date with event schedules like live music or new releases, and a means to run a business… to name a few.
  - JohnMakin 2y ago
    > in addition to a way to stay connected with friends, It's been exceptionally terrible at this for a long, long time now. For instance - had a friend I hadn't talked to in a while (as happens as you grow older, sometimes you only talk to people every 1-2 years but remain friendly) died recently. It popped up in my feed, somewhat as a shock to me - he had had cancer for the last year. Now, it's definitely on me for not keeping in contact more frequently, but I was shocked at how many updates about it I saw on his page that never once made it to my feed. Facebook didn't think a guy I'd been friends with on the platform for a decade and had 200+ mutual connections was anything I'd be interested in. It's explicitly anti-social by design. As for the other things in your list, I've never found any value to any of that but I acknowledge some might. I also don't think you need a platform like FB/IG to do either of those things and the only value they provide is the network effect.
8note 2y ago
Those all provide me entertainment, which Instagram does not. It's people who use Instagram that are making the entertainment and deserve the pay, not Instagram itself. Instagram provides a high latency poor resolution picture and short video service with comments, which you can get from anyone and everyone on today's web.