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The one that no doctor recommends you to take it unless you are over 60?

kstrauser 2y ago
LOL. No, really, that’s my best reply. This isn’t worth dignifying with a reasonable response because it’s laughably out of touch with reality. That’s astoundingly incorrect. LOL.
- rglullis 2y ago
  Ok, tell that to every doctor that I have been to (in Brazil and Germany) and basically said "don't worry about it unless you are immunocompromised".
  - soco 2y ago
    Or unless you live with elderly who even if not immunocompromised might still get a nasty case. Or unless you work with a community. Or... but of course, as soon as we stop caring about others, many other societal things go out the window as well. I say it because what you folks keep omitting to mention is the benefits for the others in a vaccination program. It's all me me me, and unless you live in a forest (which I think not) it only signals lack of empathy/care/interest in your fellows whatever they are. Which you might be fine with, of course.
    - rglullis 2y ago
      You can keep adding all the conditionals you want, the majority of under-60 people will more likely than not fall in the "no real need to take it" bucket. This "those not taking are showing lack of empathy" carries a significant emotional blackmailing tone, and ends up making those on the fence less likely to join your side and it's frankly quite off-putting. It makes you sound like you are just parroting sound bites that you like instead of properly evaluating the information you receive and deciding accordingly. It's the opposite of critical thinking and just as dumb as those believing that taking horse dewormer is a good alternative treatment.
      - Retric 2y ago
        You’re the one that said “The one that no doctor recommends you to take it unless you are over 60?” Obviously each of those exceptions means doctors are recommending someone get the shot before 60. The flue shot is also highly recommended for people at higher risk of getting infected like Teachers. A vaccine is simply less harmful than the flue even for healthy people. So unless the odds of inflection are low it’s considered a good idea.
        rglullis 2y ago
        The exceptions are exceptions. The general rule for recommendation is age/immunocompromised people. Post-hoc rationalization bogs me to no end. If you feel good about taking it, fine. But why keeping this idea that anyone who declined it is automatically a brainless moron?
        Retric 2y ago
        If you don’t want to be called out for saying things that are wrong, either learn something or keep quiet. Complaining about it just makes you look worse.
        rglullis 2y ago
        Are you saying I'm wrong solely because I used hyperbole? Because it takes a fantastic level of pedantry to take my original comment literally. > learn something or keep quiet What I learned, by talking with multiple doctors, is that I shouldn't worry about getting the vaccine until I am in my sixties.
        Retric 2y ago
        > What I learned, by talking with multiple doctors, is that I shouldn't worry about getting the vaccine until I am in my sixties. Which is the root of your mistake. ~97% of Doctors get the flue vaccine, more than just about any other group. What’s relevant medical advice for you isn’t always generalizable. You may be the unusual exception.
delecti 2y ago
The CDC comprises lots of doctors, and their website says otherwise: > Everyone 6 months and older in the United States, with rare exception, should get an influenza (flu) vaccine every season
- rglullis 2y ago
  If you listen to doctors who are not so influenced by pharma reps, the majority will tell that the benefit of the vaccine is only worth its costs and risks (which are small, but still there) if you are older or immunocompromised. Brazil has a very reputable public vaccination system, and we only vaccinate people on the schedule for people over 55 (I think) Germany has an extensive public health insurance system, so they are not interested in paying vaccines for people who don't really benefit from it.

LOL. No, really, that’s my best reply. This isn’t worth dignifying with a reasonable response because it’s laughably out of touch with reality. That’s astoundingly incorrect. LOL.

rglullis 2y ago
Ok, tell that to every doctor that I have been to (in Brazil and Germany) and basically said "don't worry about it unless you are immunocompromised".
- soco 2y ago
  Or unless you live with elderly who even if not immunocompromised might still get a nasty case. Or unless you work with a community. Or... but of course, as soon as we stop caring about others, many other societal things go out the window as well. I say it because what you folks keep omitting to mention is the benefits for the others in a vaccination program. It's all me me me, and unless you live in a forest (which I think not) it only signals lack of empathy/care/interest in your fellows whatever they are. Which you might be fine with, of course.
  - rglullis 2y ago
    You can keep adding all the conditionals you want, the majority of under-60 people will more likely than not fall in the "no real need to take it" bucket. This "those not taking are showing lack of empathy" carries a significant emotional blackmailing tone, and ends up making those on the fence less likely to join your side and it's frankly quite off-putting. It makes you sound like you are just parroting sound bites that you like instead of properly evaluating the information you receive and deciding accordingly. It's the opposite of critical thinking and just as dumb as those believing that taking horse dewormer is a good alternative treatment.
    - Retric 2y ago
      You’re the one that said “The one that no doctor recommends you to take it unless you are over 60?” Obviously each of those exceptions means doctors are recommending someone get the shot before 60. The flue shot is also highly recommended for people at higher risk of getting infected like Teachers. A vaccine is simply less harmful than the flue even for healthy people. So unless the odds of inflection are low it’s considered a good idea.
      - rglullis 2y ago
        The exceptions are exceptions. The general rule for recommendation is age/immunocompromised people. Post-hoc rationalization bogs me to no end. If you feel good about taking it, fine. But why keeping this idea that anyone who declined it is automatically a brainless moron?
        Retric 2y ago
        If you don’t want to be called out for saying things that are wrong, either learn something or keep quiet. Complaining about it just makes you look worse.
        rglullis 2y ago
        Are you saying I'm wrong solely because I used hyperbole? Because it takes a fantastic level of pedantry to take my original comment literally. > learn something or keep quiet What I learned, by talking with multiple doctors, is that I shouldn't worry about getting the vaccine until I am in my sixties.
        Retric 2y ago
        > What I learned, by talking with multiple doctors, is that I shouldn't worry about getting the vaccine until I am in my sixties. Which is the root of your mistake. ~97% of Doctors get the flue vaccine, more than just about any other group. What’s relevant medical advice for you isn’t always generalizable. You may be the unusual exception.

delecti 2y ago

The CDC comprises lots of doctors, and their website says otherwise: > Everyone 6 months and older in the United States, with rare exception, should get an influenza (flu) vaccine every season

rglullis 2y ago
If you listen to doctors who are not so influenced by pharma reps, the majority will tell that the benefit of the vaccine is only worth its costs and risks (which are small, but still there) if you are older or immunocompromised. Brazil has a very reputable public vaccination system, and we only vaccinate people on the schedule for people over 55 (I think) Germany has an extensive public health insurance system, so they are not interested in paying vaccines for people who don't really benefit from it.