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I agree. I've been a Linux user since 2017, and in the last year transitioned to an M1 MBP for the battery life (cheaper than buying an inverter+batteries in So

I agree. I've been a Linux user since 2017, and in the last year transitioned to an M1 MBP for the battery life (cheaper than buying an inverter+batteries in South Africa with loadshedding). Tried to upgrade to a new machine last month. New-ish (and not name brand) hardware made Linux unusable on it (keyboard & BT wouldn't work), while Windows was passable. After some work I decided to try working on Windows again. Honestly the worst OS experience I've had in years, because at every step there's some default setting that basically equates to "Microsoft will do whatever they want on your machine" and it's hard to turn off permanently. Then I tried to go back to Manjaro where I had a stable work experience from 2020-2022, and compared to macOS, it was just a pain getting the same dev environment back up. Ubuntu wouldn't have been much different. I dislike Apple for a lot of things, and really don't like the absurd Apple Tax on having a usable amount of RAM, but it is still the best (and most stable) dev machine I've had in years.

cjk2 2y ago
Same situation here. Apple is not the best option, but it's the least shit.
haspok 2y ago
To be fair, it is quite typical for cutting edge hardware not working in Linux for the first few months. Kernel devs have to catch up, and depending on your distro this might take a while. Best is to wait until support matures, or go with last year's option. (Not that it really makes much difference in Intel-world anyway, the difference these days is not very noticeable - I am typing this on a Thinkpad X1 Gen 5, which was released... in 2017. Can't justify buying a new laptop, each year I have a look and wonder, what the benefit would be.)
- bee_rider 2y ago
  iGPUs are getting better at a good clip, I think. Maybe we can have GPiGPU worth caring about soon.
aaomidi 2y ago
You went to the one OS that’s practically universally shunned because of how unstable it makes arch systems n.n
bee_rider 2y ago
I don’t think I could use a MacBook, I enjoy tinkering with my computer too much. I loathe cellphones, though, so I have an iPhone. It is fine. It belongs to Apple really. Someday maybe it will be easy enough to put together something like a Raspberry Pi cellphone. But, for now, I’ll just rent one from Apple and let them handle everything. They make fine devices for people who don’t like that type of device. No wonder they are doing so well, people who hate tech is a huge market, and we’re doing our best to expand it every day.
- paulmd 2y ago
  i mean, macos is just unix, and you will do a lot of tinkering given how many bad defaults it's got, and how many weird foibles etc. I have a script which fixes all my file assignments after a brew upgrade because macos grabs them back when the old application is uninstalled, for example, plus about five third-party apps living in my toolbar (plus bartender to manage them all etc). idk why people think macos is super locked down, it's not at all like the phones. the reason the AI revolution is happening on Apple second is because there's actually an enormous amount of technical people using macos these days. if they couldn't run a python script how would pytorch have ever happened etc?
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > the reason the AI revolution is happening on Apple second ...is because Apple goes out of their way to arbitrarily disable your ability to run Nvidia drivers? So much for "not locked down" I guess. But at least they still lets you install apps for free, it's nothing like the phones. How generous.

cjk2 2y ago

Same situation here. Apple is not the best option, but it's the least shit.

haspok 2y ago

To be fair, it is quite typical for cutting edge hardware not working in Linux for the first few months. Kernel devs have to catch up, and depending on your distro this might take a while. Best is to wait until support matures, or go with last year's option. (Not that it really makes much difference in Intel-world anyway, the difference these days is not very noticeable - I am typing this on a Thinkpad X1 Gen 5, which was released... in 2017. Can't justify buying a new laptop, each year I have a look and wonder, what the benefit would be.)

bee_rider 2y ago
iGPUs are getting better at a good clip, I think. Maybe we can have GPiGPU worth caring about soon.

aaomidi 2y ago

You went to the one OS that’s practically universally shunned because of how unstable it makes arch systems n.n

bee_rider 2y ago

I don’t think I could use a MacBook, I enjoy tinkering with my computer too much. I loathe cellphones, though, so I have an iPhone. It is fine. It belongs to Apple really. Someday maybe it will be easy enough to put together something like a Raspberry Pi cellphone. But, for now, I’ll just rent one from Apple and let them handle everything. They make fine devices for people who don’t like that type of device. No wonder they are doing so well, people who hate tech is a huge market, and we’re doing our best to expand it every day.

paulmd 2y ago
i mean, macos is just unix, and you will do a lot of tinkering given how many bad defaults it's got, and how many weird foibles etc. I have a script which fixes all my file assignments after a brew upgrade because macos grabs them back when the old application is uninstalled, for example, plus about five third-party apps living in my toolbar (plus bartender to manage them all etc). idk why people think macos is super locked down, it's not at all like the phones. the reason the AI revolution is happening on Apple second is because there's actually an enormous amount of technical people using macos these days. if they couldn't run a python script how would pytorch have ever happened etc?
- talldayo 2y ago
  > the reason the AI revolution is happening on Apple second ...is because Apple goes out of their way to arbitrarily disable your ability to run Nvidia drivers? So much for "not locked down" I guess. But at least they still lets you install apps for free, it's nothing like the phones. How generous.