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I am genuinely curious: I am starting a company, and I need smart people; I do not care how good they are at programming language X, or technology T - all the

I am genuinely curious: I am starting a company, and I need smart people; I do not care how good they are at programming language X, or technology T - all the skills my employees will need can be learned on the job. I want to optimize the time it takes for an arbitrary hire to become independent, to have learned the basics, and to make meaningful contributions. They would write code at most 20% of the time, and the job has many other nuances. In your opinion, what would a process that you wouldn't refuse look like? Would a learning interview (I present something that you have not seen before, act as an oracle, provide docs, evaluate how quickly you pick up concepts) be so insulting?

dfadsadsf 2y ago
> all the skills my employees will need can be learned on the job. > optimize the time it takes for an arbitrary hire to become independent So you are looking for somebody in top 5% cognitive ability and top 5% independence which is what pretty much every other employer wants. My advice is if you can pay competitive FAANG salaries (or compensate lower salaries by prestige/saving humanity/bringing people to Mars), just do what everyone else is doing - Leetcode, behavior interview and architecture interview. Innovate on something else, standard interview process will give you smart motivated folks. If you can’t pay those salaries, you need to be creative and decide what compromises you are ready to make and tailor interview process to them. No one size fits all process here. You are essentially looking for people who failed in standard process while still posses qualities you need. Expect to spend more time on hiring and have more bad hires.
- kidintech 2y ago
  realistically we're looking for much higher (sub 1%) cognitive ability. I understand this is highly sought after, so we incentivize by paying a few times what FAANG does locally. I was genuinely wondering how OP preferred to be approached vis-a-vis this sort of assessment, since they suggested that they would walk out on conventional approaches. I mentioned cognitive ability and ability to learn as I feel those are harder to extrapolate from one's existing publications/contributions/take-home assessments, compared to in-person discussion(s).
  - dvt 2y ago
    > realistically we're looking for much higher (sub 1%) cognitive ability. Weird requirement, why? Even places like RenTech don't specifically look for the top <1% cognitive ability (and they quite literally print money).
    - kidintech 2y ago
      > places like RenTech don't specifically look for the top <1% cognitive ability There is no way more than 1 out of 100 arbitrarily sampled humans can win Putnam or get tenure in pure math/physics/etc. at an Ivy.
dvt 2y ago
> They would write code at most 20% of the time, and the job has many other nuances. You're being very nebulous and without knowing exactly what you're hiring for, it's hard for me to recommend a process.
- kidintech 2y ago
  In this particular discussion, I am not looking for the best process for the task. I am looking for a process that will not get deemed a "red flag" by candidates.

dfadsadsf 2y ago

> all the skills my employees will need can be learned on the job. > optimize the time it takes for an arbitrary hire to become independent So you are looking for somebody in top 5% cognitive ability and top 5% independence which is what pretty much every other employer wants. My advice is if you can pay competitive FAANG salaries (or compensate lower salaries by prestige/saving humanity/bringing people to Mars), just do what everyone else is doing - Leetcode, behavior interview and architecture interview. Innovate on something else, standard interview process will give you smart motivated folks. If you can’t pay those salaries, you need to be creative and decide what compromises you are ready to make and tailor interview process to them. No one size fits all process here. You are essentially looking for people who failed in standard process while still posses qualities you need. Expect to spend more time on hiring and have more bad hires.

kidintech 2y ago
realistically we're looking for much higher (sub 1%) cognitive ability. I understand this is highly sought after, so we incentivize by paying a few times what FAANG does locally. I was genuinely wondering how OP preferred to be approached vis-a-vis this sort of assessment, since they suggested that they would walk out on conventional approaches. I mentioned cognitive ability and ability to learn as I feel those are harder to extrapolate from one's existing publications/contributions/take-home assessments, compared to in-person discussion(s).
- dvt 2y ago
  > realistically we're looking for much higher (sub 1%) cognitive ability. Weird requirement, why? Even places like RenTech don't specifically look for the top <1% cognitive ability (and they quite literally print money).
  - kidintech 2y ago
    > places like RenTech don't specifically look for the top <1% cognitive ability There is no way more than 1 out of 100 arbitrarily sampled humans can win Putnam or get tenure in pure math/physics/etc. at an Ivy.

dvt 2y ago

> They would write code at most 20% of the time, and the job has many other nuances. You're being very nebulous and without knowing exactly what you're hiring for, it's hard for me to recommend a process.

kidintech 2y ago
In this particular discussion, I am not looking for the best process for the task. I am looking for a process that will not get deemed a "red flag" by candidates.