I agree negative return for that long is not necessarily expected. Definitely fair for some period of onboarding though. The havoc I was referring to was more

I agree negative return for that long is not necessarily expected. Definitely fair for some period of onboarding though. The havoc I was referring to was more due to the person’s political skills and ability to shift the blame for his own shortcomings to people on his team, while those on the team were unaware of how he’d throw them under the bus while managing up. The failure at “fizzbuzz” was a red flag that got ignored by management (yes there was some existing dysfunction in the org). And so — figuratively speaking — someone who couldn’t even build a doghouse ended up being tasked with architecting a shopping mall, then attempted to deliver a skyscraper (and failed miserably at it).