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"I am very worried that Microsoft may be about to shoot itself in the foot spectacularly." See the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&

"I am very worried that Microsoft may be about to shoot itself in the foot spectacularly." See the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qIMuJTrxuhQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q... Just in case you ever have to turn off someone's Windows 8 computer - best memorize this ... "In the Metro interface, hover your mouse over the Zoom icon that appears in the lower right corner of the screen. The Charms bar should then pop up displaying several icons. Moving your mouse up the screen will reveal the names of each icon, including Search, Share, Start, Devices, and Settings. Click the Settings icon and then the Power Icon. You should see three options: Sleep, Restart, and Shut down. Clicking Shut down will close Windows 8 and turn off your PC." Yep, Microsoft buried the shutdown option in the settings menu! When you see one of these at your local retailer, for a laugh ask the sales clerk to shut it off.

maratd 14y ago
> Yep, Microsoft buried the shutdown option in the settings menu! I never shut down my phone or my tablet. They are always connected and always ready to go. Both of those are computers. That's what Microsoft is going for. If they can break the "shutdown habit", this will be a positive development for them.
- CamperBob2 14y ago
  A PC is not a phone or a tablet.
- ChrisLTD 14y ago
  Sometimes you need to shut down your laptop or mobile devices to preserve battery life on trips.
  - mikeash 14y ago
    Really? My devices take a week or more to show a noticeable discharge when sleeping.
    - ChrisLTD 14y ago
      I don't have any hard data to back this up, but my MacBook Pro seems to lose 10% or so if it's battery a day when asleep.
  - CamperBob2 14y ago
    Or to avoid being thrown off airplanes.
MrVitaliy 14y ago
I shutdown my MacBook Pro about once a month (mostly for OS updates). Simply closing the screen puts the laptop into sleep and opening flawlessly brings up the OS multiple times per day. Perhaps MS is aiming for a similar os/hardware symbiosis with their next OS iteration which would justify hiding shutdown option.
tikhonj 14y ago
To be entirely fair, the normal way of shutting the computer down now is to use the start menu. Of course, everybody is used to it, but they did have to get used to it at some point. And they did. So it isn't entirely impossible. When I used OS X for the first time, I couldn't figure out how to do basic things either. In fact, as it stands now, I am not entirely certain how to shut off an OS X computer either. Happily I'm on Linux and everything makes sense :).
- dscrd 14y ago
  Shouldn't the normal way of shutting down these days be pressing the power button?
- Aethaeryn 14y ago
  > I am not entirely certain how to shut off an OS X computer either. Open up the terminal and type: sudo halt (NOTE: In Linux, OpenBSD, and FreeBSD, the man pages state that 'halt -p' should be used for a power off, but the OS X man page states that it's just 'halt' with no -p tag available.)
  - tikhonj 14y ago
    Yes, that would work. That's actually how I sometimes shut down my Linux machine, although it doesn't even require sudo. I was talking from the UI/mouse-driven perspective. I'm not entirely sure where the shutdown option/menu on OS X is. Of course, I regularly don't use macs, so it shouldn't be a surprise--it's not like I have a computer which I just don't know how to shut down!
    - mproud 14y ago
       → Shutdown… Or, press the power button once, get a restart/sleep/cancel/shutdown dialog (shortcuts: r/s/esc/return)
- freehunter 14y ago
  Happily I'm on Linux and everything makes sense :) Unless you're running Gnome 3, where you have to log out then shut down, since there's no shutdown button while logged in. That's one thing Unity has over Gnome 3.
bztzt 14y ago
Putting it in Settings is a bit odd, but I would point out that the whole first three and a half sentences of those instructions become one quick continuous motion once you've done it a few times. (It's more like "swing the mouse pointer around a right hand corner and click Settings")
luminarious 14y ago
I don't recall when I last used the start menu to turn off the computer. I have a button on my laptop and pressing it hibernates the computer. Very handy.
yaix 14y ago
If you want to turn off you computer, just press the power button for 3 seconds, that cuts power.
- PidGin128 14y ago
  what device do you have that complies so quickly? My understanding was explicitly eight seconds for most things.
Noxwizard 14y ago
You can also find the power button by signing out. Swipe up again to see the login screen and the power button is at the bottom right. It's still not as easy to find as before and I ended up finding it by accident. An accidental right-click swiped the screen up and there it was.

maratd 14y ago

> Yep, Microsoft buried the shutdown option in the settings menu! I never shut down my phone or my tablet. They are always connected and always ready to go. Both of those are computers. That's what Microsoft is going for. If they can break the "shutdown habit", this will be a positive development for them.

CamperBob2 14y ago
A PC is not a phone or a tablet.
ChrisLTD 14y ago
Sometimes you need to shut down your laptop or mobile devices to preserve battery life on trips.
- mikeash 14y ago
  Really? My devices take a week or more to show a noticeable discharge when sleeping.
  - ChrisLTD 14y ago
    I don't have any hard data to back this up, but my MacBook Pro seems to lose 10% or so if it's battery a day when asleep.
- CamperBob2 14y ago
  Or to avoid being thrown off airplanes.

MrVitaliy 14y ago

I shutdown my MacBook Pro about once a month (mostly for OS updates). Simply closing the screen puts the laptop into sleep and opening flawlessly brings up the OS multiple times per day. Perhaps MS is aiming for a similar os/hardware symbiosis with their next OS iteration which would justify hiding shutdown option.

tikhonj 14y ago

To be entirely fair, the normal way of shutting the computer down now is to use the start menu. Of course, everybody is used to it, but they did have to get used to it at some point. And they did. So it isn't entirely impossible. When I used OS X for the first time, I couldn't figure out how to do basic things either. In fact, as it stands now, I am not entirely certain how to shut off an OS X computer either. Happily I'm on Linux and everything makes sense :).

dscrd 14y ago
Shouldn't the normal way of shutting down these days be pressing the power button?
Aethaeryn 14y ago
> I am not entirely certain how to shut off an OS X computer either. Open up the terminal and type: sudo halt (NOTE: In Linux, OpenBSD, and FreeBSD, the man pages state that 'halt -p' should be used for a power off, but the OS X man page states that it's just 'halt' with no -p tag available.)
- tikhonj 14y ago
  Yes, that would work. That's actually how I sometimes shut down my Linux machine, although it doesn't even require sudo. I was talking from the UI/mouse-driven perspective. I'm not entirely sure where the shutdown option/menu on OS X is. Of course, I regularly don't use macs, so it shouldn't be a surprise--it's not like I have a computer which I just don't know how to shut down!
  - mproud 14y ago
     → Shutdown… Or, press the power button once, get a restart/sleep/cancel/shutdown dialog (shortcuts: r/s/esc/return)
freehunter 14y ago
Happily I'm on Linux and everything makes sense :) Unless you're running Gnome 3, where you have to log out then shut down, since there's no shutdown button while logged in. That's one thing Unity has over Gnome 3.

bztzt 14y ago

Putting it in Settings is a bit odd, but I would point out that the whole first three and a half sentences of those instructions become one quick continuous motion once you've done it a few times. (It's more like "swing the mouse pointer around a right hand corner and click Settings")

luminarious 14y ago

I don't recall when I last used the start menu to turn off the computer. I have a button on my laptop and pressing it hibernates the computer. Very handy.

yaix 14y ago

If you want to turn off you computer, just press the power button for 3 seconds, that cuts power.

PidGin128 14y ago
what device do you have that complies so quickly? My understanding was explicitly eight seconds for most things.

Noxwizard 14y ago

You can also find the power button by signing out. Swipe up again to see the login screen and the power button is at the bottom right. It's still not as easy to find as before and I ended up finding it by accident. An accidental right-click swiped the screen up and there it was.