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Motte and bailey, and the comments here show it. Half of people arguing "reasonable whiteboard tests rule out candidates who cannot code" and the other half arg
by deathanatos 2y ago
Motte and bailey, and the comments here show it. Half of people arguing "reasonable whiteboard tests rule out candidates who cannot code" and the other half arguing "but leet code!" which is a different goal-post.
But this stems from the article's thesis itself being unclear: both positions are superimposed in TFA, so it's no wonder half the readers came away with one goal post, and half the other.
Motte: Leet-code interviews requiring memorization of problems unlikely to ever be actually encountered during one's career are bad.
Bailey: "[All] Whiteboard interviews are a test of obedience, not intelligence" and the entire "How (Most) Interviews Should Be Conducted" which implicitly rules out any whiteboard/coding questions by not including it.
To the author, if they're here: which position are you actually arguing?
I agree with the motte, as one might guess. If it's truly is the bailey, why should a Senior SWE not be able to implement min()? (… like, realistically, in their sleep?) Perhaps I'm returning false negative in 1/10,000 people, but I'll take that for the true negatives of "cannot, apparently, implement min()". "min()" has pass rates of like 50% in my interviews.
The problem with the suggested interview style is that it does not yield reliable information. People bullshit, people lie. People exaggerate their contributions to something. Worse, the people who you probably do want to hire are going to be modest and honest as to their role.
I'll also add that "whiteboard coding" should ideally not be literal. I really want the candidate to have a good IDE / dev env to work in. I am often hamstrung by what HR/the corp. is willing to provide; if all I've got is a whiteboard, I'm sorry. Everyone being remote should have made this easier, but I still encounter many candidates who struggle to bring an IDE of their choosing in a language they're most comfortable with, to the VC, with advanced notice. (And this is generally a nudge towards "no hire"…)
- janalsncm 2y agoI like this comment a lot because it identifies an extremely common pattern in online discourse. Write an article describing the motte, and give it a title that is an inflammatory bailey.