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Cybertruck too big for parking spot, and Tesla won't let him return or resell it
- beretguy 2y agoSome people have to learn things the hard way.
- andrei-akopian 2y agoLooks like you watch Luis Rossman, but you didn't get the memo. We shouldn't point and laugh at other people for getting screwed over by companies, but critizise the companies committing the crimes. I might be wrong, and if I am please tell me.
- beretguy 2y ago> We shouldn't point and laugh at other people for getting screwed over At what point I did that?
- tail_exchange 2y agoLarge vehicles are hard to park and can't fit tight spaces? Who would have thunk... These monstrosities are a horrendous trend. Not only we are building cities that are completely unwalkable, but now they are also filled with tanks driving at high speeds.
- booblik 2y agoThe great thing about Tesla is they let you drive their car basically wherever you want during test drive. I was interested in the model X, so I took it to my garage and discovered it couldn’t properly open the wing doors due to pretty low ceiling and relatively narrow spots. So I passed. But that was a pretty basic consideration. Can’t blame Tesla here really.
- proactivesvcs 2y ago"Since ordering the vehicle, Raddon's living circumstances have changed, he told Business Insider. He said that he and his wife separated and he's since moved into a new apartment complex, and his new Cybertruck doesn't fit comfortably in its parking space." On top of the fact that the owner couldn't have known the above, I'd say one can blame Tesla: for their abusive contracts and bad customer service.
- pavel_lishin 2y agoIf I moved house, I can't imagine Honda or Subaru agreeing to take back a car. Although the inability to sell it is bullshit.
- WheatMillington 2y agoYou cannot test drive a cybertruck.
- pasttense01 2y agoHe could park it on a street or move.
- toomanyrichies 2y agohttps://archive.ph/MHDIy https://archive.ph/MHDIy
- ffhhj 2y agoSo the demand for accordion trucks is increasing.
- gumby 2y agoI don't see the problem with them not wanting to buy it back (though they could probably sell it on to another eager buyer). But refusing to allow resale appears to be a straightforward violation of the first sale doctrine.
- gruez 2y ago>But refusing to allow resale appears to be a straightforward violation of the first sale doctrine. It really isn't. The first sale doctrine only applies to IP law. It doesn't apply to anything else.
- gumby 2y agoIt actually comes out of the UCC (Universal Commercial Code), though IIRC via case law, and restricts the sellers’s control over the buyer’s rights. See some discussion here: https://www.peroslaw.com/news/online-resale-of-your-products-limiting-unauthorized-resellers/ https://www.peroslaw.com/news/online-resale-of-your-products... I remember Network Appliance (Netapp) could not prevent buyers from reselling their gear when they didn’t need it so they tried to make the software licenses nontransferable, rendering their hardware useless. You might have been thinking of this case.
- ggm 2y agoThe fundamental problem here is the contracted block on resale. I don't understand how this can stand, not to deny it does, but the idea anyone aside from government can really sustain "I sold it to you, not to you to sell on" is a bit wierd. Wierd, but alas, not uncommon. It happens with concert tickets, with books, with music, sometimes with real estate. Usually with real estate there is a stated purpose behind it like 'first home owner grant' type initiatives. With Tesla, it's purely commercial: "we don't want you stagging the buy price or undermining the integrity of our sell price after the surge" Ticketmaster and Tickettek would be watching anyone changing that rule, as would the book and music publishing industry.
- CaliforniaKarl 2y agoI wonder if Tesla is aware that such a provision likely would not stand up in court, and decided to put it in anyway, just to dissuade folks from attempting a sale. The threatened ban on access to purchase future vehicles was probably also a problem.
- ggm 2y agoYou buy the metal and the battery but you're renting the featureset and the upgrades of software. Its a licence to use world. They can ban you from chargers, they can ban you from unlocking features, they presumably can lock features remotely without your consent. (I would hope only when the car is motionless). I am unsure they can remote-engine-lock the car, but who knows? Certainly I have seen stories if you are out of SIM range and low 12v battery it's possible to wind up unable to enter the car, but lock/unlock processes don't have to be symmetric across car-user-cloud experience.
- nytesky 2y agoMy current car is 15 years old. I dread a new car which is dependent on a windows live or iCloud account equivalent to unlock and operate. Can you still air gap new cars?
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- CaliforniaKarl 2y agoSome Japan trivia: To own a vehicle in Japan, you must first obtain a Parking Certificate (Shako Shomeisho). Among other things, it documents & verifies the dimensions of the parking space, to ensure the vehicle will fit. Exceptions may be made if the vehicle is a "Kei car", a small vehicle that fits within prescribed dimensions.
- silisili 2y agoIt blows me away that there are apparently people with enough discretionary spending to blow on a Cybertruck that don't have the foresight to make sure said Cybertruck would physically fit where they park it.
- stuartd 2y agoThe article says: > Since ordering the vehicle, Raddon's living circumstances have changed… He said that he and his wife separated and he's since moved into a new apartment complex, and his new Cybertruck doesn't fit comfortably in its parking space.
- silisili 2y agoHe chose a new place to live without thought of parking his vehicle. It's not clear from the article if he took delivery before or after the split, but if before, it's something that should have been checked. If after, AFAIK you have until day of delivery to cancel your Tesla order.
- thunky 2y ago> you have until day of delivery to cancel your Tesla order. And after that I suppose he made the mistake of not rearranging his life to suit his Cybertruck.
- nytesky 2y agoI do wonder if the display of “judgment” in buying said Cybertruck played into the seeds of his divorce?
- roughly 2y agoI misread this at first as “since he ordered the vehicle…”
- mazdayasna 2y agoIf there is one thing I have learned after 8 years of running a mobile detailing van, with about a third of my jobs being boats or planes in fancy private storage spaces, it's that there is absolutely zero correlation between having the ability to drop a hundred grand or two on a vanity purchase and having any common sense whatsoever. It used to really grind my gears how clueless some of my clients are, but they really are only human at the end of the day and now I find it funny when they say something completely out-of-touch. I only wish I was clever or lucky enough to find myself in similar wealth.
- bachmeier 2y agoWhile I can understand the backlash against the resale clause, it shouldn't have been a secret, since it got a ton of media last year. Someone bought a very expensive vehicle and voluntarily agreed to a contract with crazy terms in it. I don't usually want to blame the victim, but this really is on the buyer. There were many vehicles on the market at a lower price that didn't require this kind of agreement.
- sokoloff 2y agoThe overwhelming majority of which would also fit into the parking space at his new place.
- ThePowerOfFuet 2y agoWhat's stopping him from renting/leasing it to someone for a year and then selling it a year later (perhaps to that same lessee with the lease payments taken off the top)? The lessee would need to insure it themselves, obviously.
- WheatMillington 2y agoWho wants to take on that kind of administrative and credit risk for a year?
- speedylight 2y agoThat’d require a short driving lesson everytime you lend it to a new person because the drive-by-wire and all wheel turning can be a little tricky according to MKBHD!
- instagib 2y agoOr park it far away and get some exercise before every drive. Looking at the picture, maybe needs more practice parking, ask to move the fire extinguisher enclosure to the next wall or back wall, or use the auto park function. That’s a thing on it right? It’s only a year. This seems like a nothing story to regurgitate Tesla policy clicks. I liked the Porsche Taycan story about a guy who couldn’t trade in his vehicle because the dealer wasn’t able to sell his previous gen and was overstocked already. He was 25k underwater and supposedly couldn’t afford to sell privately. Then the heater/ac broke during the video.
- dombama 2y agoThe Cybertruck is smaller in both length and width than the short bed F-150, the most popular truck and passenger vehicle in America. Not a Tesla fan by any means but they're right to deny him for being unreasonable. It's basically marketed as a colossally impractical truck.
- acdha 2y agoFord doesn’t attempt to prevent your resale rights, however. I think that completely changes my impression here: if this was just some guy having a mid-life crisis and realizing that his massive truck wasn’t impressing dates, sure, mock away but since Tesla is preventing him from doing what people have done for generations with literally every other vehicle on the market it’s entirely fair to criticize them for screwing over a fan.
- GuB-42 2y agoI like bashing at Tesla, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for the guy here. Pre-orders are always a risk, he took the risk, he lost. And it is not a huge loss, just a year of uncomfortable parking before he can sell it, or he can buy a smaller vehicle, leave the Cybertruck in a rental garage for a year, and then sell the truck. Buying a $80k+ vehicle and not even thinking about its dimensions shows either a bunch of disposable income (so he can absorb the loss of having to wait a year before selling), or a lack of discipline, which would have gotten him into trouble in a way or another. My guess is that he is not stupid, he doesn't want his truck anymore because of a change of situation, and he uses exposure to try to weasel out of his contract. If it can save him a few thousand bucks overall, why not try it? All he needed to do was to contact Business Insider, who, in turn, get a good story for their paper.
- bravetraveler 2y agoRationalization, meet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounded_rationality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounded_rationality In short, confounding. The vehicle is the least important thing to him [now, probably], yet this quirky little contract is a needless thorn. Why should he endure all of the erosion you open with? The paper agreement? Holding someone to a technicality encourages being beat on one. It harms good faith. I don't know, feels like we're doing too much. The sale should be finished, and at most, continue between him and the bank (I haven't bothered to learn his specifics) on his terms. I don't like the redefinition of ownership. Tesla feels parasitic with this, seeming to wash it with the fear of scalpers. I feel for him/others. This policy serves Tesla, as fanfare if nothing else, more than him or you/I. It's a toy/commodity - nobody needs these.
- bravetraveler 2y agoBefore a rabid fanboy appears: I'd say the same if this were a Ford GT. This isn't a vendetta against Tesla, but rather, erosion. They're "just" party to it. Innumerable would-be-buyers being priced out of their new toy is preferable to one being unable to... truly own their belongings/freely transfer them. I can complain because I'm aware of the terms and chose to not participate. This is why. I will agree it is a little silly to complain about terms one agreed to, though...
- NoPicklez 2y agoI can understand Tesla putting something like this into a contract to prevent lots of people buying the car purely with the intention of reselling it to scalp. However, people's circumstances change and in this case he has a fair right to resell it.