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Of course a Chinese propagandist would say that about their forces, with truth being at best coincidence. True world powers need not make empty boasts nor fear

Of course a Chinese propagandist would say that about their forces, with truth being at best coincidence. True world powers need not make empty boasts nor fear paper Poo bears.

more_corn 2y ago
Not sure the boast of Chinese military might is an empty one. I guess we’ll see when they attack Taiwan.
- r2_pilot 2y ago
  It's empty because they won't attack Taiwan. You can review this comment in 5 years and I am confident that it will remain true.
  - belter 2y ago
    > It's empty because they won't attack Taiwan Can you elaborate?
    - r2_pilot 2y ago
      Sure. The US has a treaty to defend Taiwan against foreign aggression. China has abstained from attacking the Taiwanese people since before I was born. Ergo, you are the only one who thinks China is stupid enough to behave in a nonsensical manner.
      - belter 2y ago
        Admire your certitude. An orange man in the White House could break NATO and say its an internal affair between China and Taiwan in no time... "China warns on Taiwan, South China Sea at Shangri-La forum" - https://www.voanews.com/a/china-warns-on-taiwan-south-china-sea-at-shangri-la-forum/7639355.html https://www.voanews.com/a/china-warns-on-taiwan-south-china-... "Former U.S. President Trump Hints He Wouldn't Defend Taiwan From China" - https://youtu.be/5KEgY8FR51o https://youtu.be/5KEgY8FR51o
        r2_pilot 2y ago
        I am thoroughly enjoying wasting my time off dealing with your assertions. Like pigs, I enjoy being muddy. The man in the white house doesn't matter a flying flip with regards to treaty enforcement, and there's sufficient rule of law left in this country to correctly handle any Chinese aggression. Oh and the real reason China won't attack Taiwan is because the chip factories are rigged to explode and without that there's no reason to invade. But you already knew that, or should, with your illusion of expertise in this matter.
        belter 2y ago
        You speak like these people :-) https://youtu.be/P04pHRBmaaQ https://youtu.be/P04pHRBmaaQ Let me try: From the resplendent shores of freedom, the invincible alliance of the United States and Taiwan stands unbreakable! As waves crash upon the might of our union, China's endeavors will dissolve into the sands of futility....Together, fortified by the treaties of solidarity, we will witness the dawn of triumph over China ambitions over Taiwan. Long live the US Taiwan treaty!
        talldayo 2y ago
        Donald Trump says a lot of stuff that is intended to prey on the minds of the public. His words (let alone his signature on a treaty) mean nothing and can be revoked at any time. Until he actually does something, the singular value of statements like these is to make headlines. If everything Donald Trump said was written into policy, he'd have contradicted himself into anarchy. The parent's line of logic is sound; the United States has fundamental interests in securing Taiwan's independence. They are one of the very few countries that would receive Israel-levels of international intervention if their sovereignty was threatened, and China knows that. A ground invasion under current conditions would be political and materiel suicide; you have to imagine apocalypse-level global malcontent before NATO would roll over and go ahead with China's reunification strategy.
        belter 2y ago
        Well the Pentagon seems to think they will. "The Pentagon Is Freaking Out About a Potential War With China" - https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/09/america-weapons-china-00100373 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/09/america-we... "...But a swift response may not be possible, in large part because of how shrunken the U.S. manufacturing base has become since the Cold War. All of a sudden, Washington is reckoning with the fact that so many parts and pieces of munitions, planes, and ships it needs are being manufactured overseas, including in China. Among the deficiencies: components of solid rocket motors, shell casings, machine tools, fuses and precursor elements to propellants and explosives, many of which are made in China and India..." "Chinese President Xi Jinping has instructed the Chinese military to be prepared to invade Taiwan by 2027, Adm. John Aquilino, commander of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, said." - https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15243813 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15243813
      - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
        > The US has a treaty to defend Taiwan against foreign aggression. The US does not have any such treaty. First off, the US doesn't have any treaties with Taiwan, because the US does not recognize Taiwan as a country. What the US has is its own national law, the Taiwan Relations Act, which is deliberately ambiguous as to whether the US would actually intervene to defend Taiwan.
belter 2y ago
Are you telling me China built the largest navy in the World (per number of ships) and now....will NOT use it?
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  Just like their houses
- r2_pilot 2y ago
  Are you telling me China built the largest navy in the world (hahahaha little pooh bear with small honey-pot syndrome) and now... Will use it in violation of international law? I don't believe you're high enough ranking in the Chinese military to be privvy to any such plans. You're welcome to come back with evidence, though.
  - belter 2y ago
    > Will use it in violation of international law? Checks notes: ....Uyghur camps...Hong Kong...takes whole South China Sea... Yeap, my notes say it will.
    - r2_pilot 2y ago
      While within the territory of China, the United States is sadly unable to fully protect the rights of oppressed humans, I am very happy that my tax dollars go to support innocent passage through the South China Sea, making a mockery of their so-called territorial claims that are consistently refuted by the UN. Here's my proof : "On 10 May[2024] , USS Halsey (DDG 97) asserted navigational rights and freedoms in the South China Sea near the Paracel Islands, consistent with international Law." https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/37714...
      - fnalelal 2y ago
        I suspect China is building a big navy so they can start "asserting navigational rights and freedoms" in waters close to the US, Australia, etc.

Of course a Chinese propagandist would say that about their forces, with truth being at best coincidence. True world powers need not make empty boasts nor fear paper Poo bears.

more_corn 2y ago

Not sure the boast of Chinese military might is an empty one. I guess we’ll see when they attack Taiwan.

r2_pilot 2y ago
It's empty because they won't attack Taiwan. You can review this comment in 5 years and I am confident that it will remain true.
- belter 2y ago
  > It's empty because they won't attack Taiwan Can you elaborate?
  - r2_pilot 2y ago
    Sure. The US has a treaty to defend Taiwan against foreign aggression. China has abstained from attacking the Taiwanese people since before I was born. Ergo, you are the only one who thinks China is stupid enough to behave in a nonsensical manner.
    - belter 2y ago
      Admire your certitude. An orange man in the White House could break NATO and say its an internal affair between China and Taiwan in no time... "China warns on Taiwan, South China Sea at Shangri-La forum" - https://www.voanews.com/a/china-warns-on-taiwan-south-china-sea-at-shangri-la-forum/7639355.html https://www.voanews.com/a/china-warns-on-taiwan-south-china-... "Former U.S. President Trump Hints He Wouldn't Defend Taiwan From China" - https://youtu.be/5KEgY8FR51o https://youtu.be/5KEgY8FR51o
      - r2_pilot 2y ago
        I am thoroughly enjoying wasting my time off dealing with your assertions. Like pigs, I enjoy being muddy. The man in the white house doesn't matter a flying flip with regards to treaty enforcement, and there's sufficient rule of law left in this country to correctly handle any Chinese aggression. Oh and the real reason China won't attack Taiwan is because the chip factories are rigged to explode and without that there's no reason to invade. But you already knew that, or should, with your illusion of expertise in this matter.
        belter 2y ago
        You speak like these people :-) https://youtu.be/P04pHRBmaaQ https://youtu.be/P04pHRBmaaQ Let me try: From the resplendent shores of freedom, the invincible alliance of the United States and Taiwan stands unbreakable! As waves crash upon the might of our union, China's endeavors will dissolve into the sands of futility....Together, fortified by the treaties of solidarity, we will witness the dawn of triumph over China ambitions over Taiwan. Long live the US Taiwan treaty!
      - talldayo 2y ago
        Donald Trump says a lot of stuff that is intended to prey on the minds of the public. His words (let alone his signature on a treaty) mean nothing and can be revoked at any time. Until he actually does something, the singular value of statements like these is to make headlines. If everything Donald Trump said was written into policy, he'd have contradicted himself into anarchy. The parent's line of logic is sound; the United States has fundamental interests in securing Taiwan's independence. They are one of the very few countries that would receive Israel-levels of international intervention if their sovereignty was threatened, and China knows that. A ground invasion under current conditions would be political and materiel suicide; you have to imagine apocalypse-level global malcontent before NATO would roll over and go ahead with China's reunification strategy.
        belter 2y ago
        Well the Pentagon seems to think they will. "The Pentagon Is Freaking Out About a Potential War With China" - https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/09/america-weapons-china-00100373 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/09/america-we... "...But a swift response may not be possible, in large part because of how shrunken the U.S. manufacturing base has become since the Cold War. All of a sudden, Washington is reckoning with the fact that so many parts and pieces of munitions, planes, and ships it needs are being manufactured overseas, including in China. Among the deficiencies: components of solid rocket motors, shell casings, machine tools, fuses and precursor elements to propellants and explosives, many of which are made in China and India..." "Chinese President Xi Jinping has instructed the Chinese military to be prepared to invade Taiwan by 2027, Adm. John Aquilino, commander of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, said." - https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15243813 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15243813
    - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
      > The US has a treaty to defend Taiwan against foreign aggression. The US does not have any such treaty. First off, the US doesn't have any treaties with Taiwan, because the US does not recognize Taiwan as a country. What the US has is its own national law, the Taiwan Relations Act, which is deliberately ambiguous as to whether the US would actually intervene to defend Taiwan.

belter 2y ago

Are you telling me China built the largest navy in the World (per number of ships) and now....will NOT use it?

jncfhnb 2y ago
Just like their houses
r2_pilot 2y ago
Are you telling me China built the largest navy in the world (hahahaha little pooh bear with small honey-pot syndrome) and now... Will use it in violation of international law? I don't believe you're high enough ranking in the Chinese military to be privvy to any such plans. You're welcome to come back with evidence, though.
- belter 2y ago
  > Will use it in violation of international law? Checks notes: ....Uyghur camps...Hong Kong...takes whole South China Sea... Yeap, my notes say it will.
  - r2_pilot 2y ago
    While within the territory of China, the United States is sadly unable to fully protect the rights of oppressed humans, I am very happy that my tax dollars go to support innocent passage through the South China Sea, making a mockery of their so-called territorial claims that are consistently refuted by the UN. Here's my proof : "On 10 May[2024] , USS Halsey (DDG 97) asserted navigational rights and freedoms in the South China Sea near the Paracel Islands, consistent with international Law." https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3771407/us-navy-destroyer-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation-in-the-south-china-s/ https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/37714...
    - fnalelal 2y ago
      I suspect China is building a big navy so they can start "asserting navigational rights and freedoms" in waters close to the US, Australia, etc.