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> just watch that one of 14 year old boys. If you're in a mixed gender school, you're basically in a building with hundred of potential candidates. > It is a

> just watch that one of 14 year old boys. If you're in a mixed gender school, you're basically in a building with hundred of potential candidates. > It is a minor miracle if you date at 14 years old. Just about everything is stacked against you I disagree. Your only competition is other 14-16(hopefully not higher) year olds, none of whom have careers! > It's completely OK if you're content with not having any romantic life at 14! But what if you're not? So if you're not you're supposed to resort to pornography? How will that help? > WRT "damages their relationships in the future" - I can't imagine that Do you believe either of the two below? - Watching pornography creates a false expectation/perception of actual relationships & sex? - Regular pornography consumption can lead to erectile dysfunction / pre-mature ejaculation? > why would you owe anything to your future selves? Why not sell your extra kidney, get some dough. You don't owe that kidney to your future self.

wkat4242 2y ago
> Do you believe either of the two below? No, absolutely not.
randomdata 2y ago
> If you're in a mixed gender school, you're basically in a building with hundred of potential candidates. And if you are in a professional sports venue during a scheduled professional sporting event you are basically in a building with hundreds of thousands of potential athletes. > Your only competition is other 14-16(hopefully not higher) year olds, none of whom have careers! None of them? I had my career at 14. Still at it many decades later. Regardless, I suspect at 14 the biggest competition you are up against is that which you have failed to mention: Nobody. It is not down to either you or someone else. The romantic interests involved can easily choose to not get involved with anyone.
- arandomusername 2y ago
  > And if you are in a professional sports venue during a scheduled professional sporting event you are basically in a building with hundreds of thousands of potential athletes. That does not hold, as they are there to watch. More accurate comparison would be, if you are into tech, going to a tech conference, you are in a building with hundreds/thousands of potential employees, employers, partners, etc. > None of them? I had my career at 14. Still at it many decades later. Well done, but you are an exception. "none" is not meant literally. i.e humans have 5 fingers. Yes, some have 6, but for the most part, we have 5. > The romantic interests involved can easily choose to not get involved with anyone. In your school, were there no relationships?
  - randomdata 2y ago
    > as they are there to watch. Or left to watch because they weren't good enough to be chosen to play? If a team pulled someone from the crowd to join in, the selected is saying no every time? Colour me skeptical. > Well done, but you are an exception. I'd say about half of the people I went to school with are still doing the same thing they were doing at 14. I'm not sure that is a marker of exceptionalism, but, indeed, that still leaves many 14 year-olds with only a job. But is there a meaningful difference between a career and a job in this context? > i.e humans have 5 fingers. Yes, some have 6, but for the most part, we have 5. And here I am counting ten. Do you hang out with inattentive lawnmower enthusiasts? > In your school, were there no relationships? Not something I ever felt the need to keep tabs on, I'm afraid. The data suggests that most 14 year-olds are virgins, though, so while it is possible respondents are prone to lie, if we take it at face value that would suggest that by and large they are not forming such romantic relationships, either by their own accord or because they are unable to find a willing mate.
thriftwy 2y ago
Most of 14-15 years old girls are not romantically active as it seems, and when they are, they would overwhelmingly prefer older boys (with the 2 years rule et al). As a 14 years old boy you're not really going to date 12 years old girls obviously. 16 years old girls may date anyone from 14 to 35. Some of them are not romantically active and ones who are, will overwhelmingly prefer older boys and young men. That would explain the extreme opportunity squeeze that I was describing. It's the same issue with 35 years old women with their peer 35 years old men who now have jobs and a car and now may easily date those 20-24 years old girls they were previously not getting. Except more severe because 35 years old women have resources and choices that young boys don't. They also have the experience of being in demand in the past. Apologies, but I was reading that you are claiming that dating at 14 years old damages your future prospects. Perhaps I couldn't parse. I'm just at loss why you don't list the negatives of NOT watching pornography, such as feeling lonely, worthless and desperate, not having any meaning to your life, and not having any way to divert these thoughts. I would attribute erectile dysfunction and pre-mature ejaculation to not being in any romantic demand for multiple formative years leading to major distortion of your self-esteem and therefore to fear of rejection and extreme anxiety of not performing. Which then becomes self-fulfilling prophercy and learned helplessness. Not to mention the "false expectation" of always being turned down by any potential mate in your life. And not to porn. People who watched little porn probably didn't really need to be romantically active so they just skipped the whole rack torture experience and that's why they perform better later on, when opportunity presents and they do not have that burden. Fortunately I don't need extra money so kidneys stay.
- arandomusername 2y ago
  Speaking from personal experience when I was in school, there were a a decent amount of relationships between students in the same year(often sharing some sort of classes). > Apologies, but I was reading that you are claiming that dating at 14 years old damages your future prospects. Perhaps I couldn't parse. To avoid any confusion, my stance is: Regular pornography viewing (as a 14 year old or as an adult) hurts your perception of what normal relationships/sex are and will hurt your relationships, in the future or in the current. Additionally it creates complacency as it's easier to put on a website and rub one out than it is to improve yourself to be a good candidate, and go out and meet women. Additionally the porn industry is very harmful towards women (sex trafficking, and incentivizing 18 year old women to perform, when your prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed yet). > I'm just at loss why you don't list the negatives of NOT watching pornography I don't believe there's any beside quick release. > such as feeling lonely, worthless and desperate, not having any meaning to your life, and not having any way to divert these thoughts I disagree that pornography viewing actually helps combat any of those. I would say it actually helps those grow. Feeling of loneliness is at it's highest, and so is pornography viewing (but, correlation does not mean causation). I don't think you can replace real human interactions with pornography (or parasocial relationships, for that matter). I'm curious, do you think AI boyfriend/girlfriend/friend is/will be a plus or a negative on society? I do agree on what you said about dysfunction/pre-mature ejaculation, but I don't think it's the only factor. I think that porn can also contribute. Either through "death-grip", unrealistic expectation of sex/beauty, or requiring more "hardcore"/"extreme" content to become aroused.

wkat4242 2y ago

> Do you believe either of the two below? No, absolutely not.

randomdata 2y ago

> If you're in a mixed gender school, you're basically in a building with hundred of potential candidates. And if you are in a professional sports venue during a scheduled professional sporting event you are basically in a building with hundreds of thousands of potential athletes. > Your only competition is other 14-16(hopefully not higher) year olds, none of whom have careers! None of them? I had my career at 14. Still at it many decades later. Regardless, I suspect at 14 the biggest competition you are up against is that which you have failed to mention: Nobody. It is not down to either you or someone else. The romantic interests involved can easily choose to not get involved with anyone.

arandomusername 2y ago
> And if you are in a professional sports venue during a scheduled professional sporting event you are basically in a building with hundreds of thousands of potential athletes. That does not hold, as they are there to watch. More accurate comparison would be, if you are into tech, going to a tech conference, you are in a building with hundreds/thousands of potential employees, employers, partners, etc. > None of them? I had my career at 14. Still at it many decades later. Well done, but you are an exception. "none" is not meant literally. i.e humans have 5 fingers. Yes, some have 6, but for the most part, we have 5. > The romantic interests involved can easily choose to not get involved with anyone. In your school, were there no relationships?
- randomdata 2y ago
  > as they are there to watch. Or left to watch because they weren't good enough to be chosen to play? If a team pulled someone from the crowd to join in, the selected is saying no every time? Colour me skeptical. > Well done, but you are an exception. I'd say about half of the people I went to school with are still doing the same thing they were doing at 14. I'm not sure that is a marker of exceptionalism, but, indeed, that still leaves many 14 year-olds with only a job. But is there a meaningful difference between a career and a job in this context? > i.e humans have 5 fingers. Yes, some have 6, but for the most part, we have 5. And here I am counting ten. Do you hang out with inattentive lawnmower enthusiasts? > In your school, were there no relationships? Not something I ever felt the need to keep tabs on, I'm afraid. The data suggests that most 14 year-olds are virgins, though, so while it is possible respondents are prone to lie, if we take it at face value that would suggest that by and large they are not forming such romantic relationships, either by their own accord or because they are unable to find a willing mate.

thriftwy 2y ago

Most of 14-15 years old girls are not romantically active as it seems, and when they are, they would overwhelmingly prefer older boys (with the 2 years rule et al). As a 14 years old boy you're not really going to date 12 years old girls obviously. 16 years old girls may date anyone from 14 to 35. Some of them are not romantically active and ones who are, will overwhelmingly prefer older boys and young men. That would explain the extreme opportunity squeeze that I was describing. It's the same issue with 35 years old women with their peer 35 years old men who now have jobs and a car and now may easily date those 20-24 years old girls they were previously not getting. Except more severe because 35 years old women have resources and choices that young boys don't. They also have the experience of being in demand in the past. Apologies, but I was reading that you are claiming that dating at 14 years old damages your future prospects. Perhaps I couldn't parse. I'm just at loss why you don't list the negatives of NOT watching pornography, such as feeling lonely, worthless and desperate, not having any meaning to your life, and not having any way to divert these thoughts. I would attribute erectile dysfunction and pre-mature ejaculation to not being in any romantic demand for multiple formative years leading to major distortion of your self-esteem and therefore to fear of rejection and extreme anxiety of not performing. Which then becomes self-fulfilling prophercy and learned helplessness. Not to mention the "false expectation" of always being turned down by any potential mate in your life. And not to porn. People who watched little porn probably didn't really need to be romantically active so they just skipped the whole rack torture experience and that's why they perform better later on, when opportunity presents and they do not have that burden. Fortunately I don't need extra money so kidneys stay.

arandomusername 2y ago
Speaking from personal experience when I was in school, there were a a decent amount of relationships between students in the same year(often sharing some sort of classes). > Apologies, but I was reading that you are claiming that dating at 14 years old damages your future prospects. Perhaps I couldn't parse. To avoid any confusion, my stance is: Regular pornography viewing (as a 14 year old or as an adult) hurts your perception of what normal relationships/sex are and will hurt your relationships, in the future or in the current. Additionally it creates complacency as it's easier to put on a website and rub one out than it is to improve yourself to be a good candidate, and go out and meet women. Additionally the porn industry is very harmful towards women (sex trafficking, and incentivizing 18 year old women to perform, when your prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed yet). > I'm just at loss why you don't list the negatives of NOT watching pornography I don't believe there's any beside quick release. > such as feeling lonely, worthless and desperate, not having any meaning to your life, and not having any way to divert these thoughts I disagree that pornography viewing actually helps combat any of those. I would say it actually helps those grow. Feeling of loneliness is at it's highest, and so is pornography viewing (but, correlation does not mean causation). I don't think you can replace real human interactions with pornography (or parasocial relationships, for that matter). I'm curious, do you think AI boyfriend/girlfriend/friend is/will be a plus or a negative on society? I do agree on what you said about dysfunction/pre-mature ejaculation, but I don't think it's the only factor. I think that porn can also contribute. Either through "death-grip", unrealistic expectation of sex/beauty, or requiring more "hardcore"/"extreme" content to become aroused.