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I don't disagree, but how do you define and identify "legacy users"? Most importantly from Apple's perspective, how do they properly identify "legacy users" who

I don't disagree, but how do you define and identify "legacy users"? Most importantly from Apple's perspective, how do they properly identify "legacy users" who purchased apps from a vendor's site before the App Store launched, vs. users who purchased apps from a vendor's site after the App Store launched. If Apple allowed vendors to import any user as a "legacy user", then that's a clear and supported way for vendors to get around Apple's 30% cut.

saurik 14y ago
As has already been discussed ad nauseum, Apple is not bein irritating to get a "30% cut" (which is a bothersome way of describing it as they don't den get 30%: they get what is left over after paying you your 70% cut and then handling their numerous fixed costs with relation to selling your products): they want control over distribution. For more information, read this entire thread. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4037065 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4037065 As for how you do it, in practice 99% of licensing schemes are based either on "serial number", "mac address", "license key given to user and typed into app", or a combination of such. While some people then can't import still, almost everyone can, and that is enough to be game-changing. Note: you don't even need to allow this list to e changed after you import the product if you are still concerned about a "30% cut". (Though, Cydia does allow this, and even fully automates it by way of a backend licensing API vendors can implement to take control of the purchasing process, and in practice vendors that start using this mostly use it as a temporary measure and eventually just switch over entirely).
- pooriaazimi 14y ago
  But it's still dirty and cumbersome and error-prone and they have to assign some staff to this thing... In Steve Jobs's word: "Yuch"! That is not to say I wouldn't want this. I think it would be wonderful, but I wouldn't bet on it.
- ryannielsen 14y ago
  Apple doesn't care about the distribution of apps. Gatekeeper makes that abundantly clear. Please present a cogent argument that takes that under consideration. Apple, however, doesn't want to be on the hook for maintaining and supporting and spending bandwidth on users who haven't given them a cent. I can't blame them. Again, I'd love to be granted the ability to bless "legacy users" into the Mac App Store, but I also don't understand why Apple has any incentive to ever allow me to do so. It costs them money and resources, with absolutely no benefit in return. Why do you think they have an incentive?
  - scrod 14y ago
    >Apple doesn't care about the distribution of apps. Gatekeeper makes that abundantly clear. Apple placing additional controls on how developers can distribute their applications and granting themselves the ability to selectively revoke that privilege is proof that they don't care about distribution? Would you care to explain that to me?
  - easp 14y ago
    And yet, they have all these free apps...

saurik 14y ago

As has already been discussed ad nauseum, Apple is not bein irritating to get a "30% cut" (which is a bothersome way of describing it as they don't den get 30%: they get what is left over after paying you your 70% cut and then handling their numerous fixed costs with relation to selling your products): they want control over distribution. For more information, read this entire thread. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4037065 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4037065 As for how you do it, in practice 99% of licensing schemes are based either on "serial number", "mac address", "license key given to user and typed into app", or a combination of such. While some people then can't import still, almost everyone can, and that is enough to be game-changing. Note: you don't even need to allow this list to e changed after you import the product if you are still concerned about a "30% cut". (Though, Cydia does allow this, and even fully automates it by way of a backend licensing API vendors can implement to take control of the purchasing process, and in practice vendors that start using this mostly use it as a temporary measure and eventually just switch over entirely).

pooriaazimi 14y ago
But it's still dirty and cumbersome and error-prone and they have to assign some staff to this thing... In Steve Jobs's word: "Yuch"! That is not to say I wouldn't want this. I think it would be wonderful, but I wouldn't bet on it.
ryannielsen 14y ago
Apple doesn't care about the distribution of apps. Gatekeeper makes that abundantly clear. Please present a cogent argument that takes that under consideration. Apple, however, doesn't want to be on the hook for maintaining and supporting and spending bandwidth on users who haven't given them a cent. I can't blame them. Again, I'd love to be granted the ability to bless "legacy users" into the Mac App Store, but I also don't understand why Apple has any incentive to ever allow me to do so. It costs them money and resources, with absolutely no benefit in return. Why do you think they have an incentive?
- scrod 14y ago
  >Apple doesn't care about the distribution of apps. Gatekeeper makes that abundantly clear. Apple placing additional controls on how developers can distribute their applications and granting themselves the ability to selectively revoke that privilege is proof that they don't care about distribution? Would you care to explain that to me?
- easp 14y ago
  And yet, they have all these free apps...