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Every Musk thread smacks of desperation since the histrionics on here the day he took over and fired all those indispensables. The site will go down imminently

Every Musk thread smacks of desperation since the histrionics on here the day he took over and fired all those indispensables. The site will go down imminently! Traffic is cratering! Everyone I know have switched to mylittlepony tooting on mastodon! I get it, you don’t like him, by all means. But stop manifesting reality. Edit: awww you guys, sorry if I hurt your feelings. Twitter is down, tooting ftw! musk bad, I conform with all your pet issues and hatreds, please don’t shun me!

coolbreezetft24 2y ago
I don't recall anyone on here saying the site will just go down forever. The general consensus here was that there'd be more bugs/glitches and a general degradation in quality. This seems to have panned out
- verticalscaler 2y ago
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  - seadan83 2y ago
    Can you provide citations/links and references? Though, I'm afraid this will be hard to quantify for you. You will also need to satisfy the burden of proof that those links/citations are prevalent ideas and constitute a representative sample of more than just a few individuals. What's more though, such a representative sample only just informs us about the population of HN commentators. I don't think that is a particularly interesting sub-population, very little (if anything) can be extrapolated other than: "there were a lot of comments on HN stating Y." Doesn't really mean much for me - to be blunt, nobody really cares what random groups of HN commentators think. It doesn't represent very much. On the other hand, perhaps we can look at actual studies that use statistical techniques to in fact make somewhat more interesting inferences, eg: - https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/06/07/17-studies-plus-advertising-data-map-out-twitters-decline/ https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/06/07/17-studies-plus-...
    - verticalscaler 2y ago
      LOL
      - seadan83 2y ago
        Cool deal dude. Confirmation bias and false extrapolation are common tools of the human mind to avoid the fact that very little is known for certain. Which is to say, humans are often uncomfortable acknowledging profound ignorance, and for most things - that's exactly what we are. Therefore, stating that a bunch of people on hacker news wrote something goes on to say absolutely nothing more than just exactly that. This is to point out the extrapolations you made are totally unsupported without more than anecdata. The very well sourced article linked would indicate you are cherry-picking and/or misrepresenting.
        seadan83 2y ago
        Minor mea culpa, I realize now the population you are extrapolating to is all HN threads regarding Twitter/Musk and not more broad. I apologize for misreading and inferring you were extrapolating to all of media and more. Nonetheless, the point of unsupported (or false) extrapolation stands.
        verticalscaler 2y ago
        Go and read those threads.
        seadan83 2y ago
        Burden of proof is for you to find specific examples, quote them, link them, then find data that those items did not come to pass. Following that, find more quotes that are similar, enough so that it's a persistent and significant percentage to constitute an actual trend. Until then, it's anecdata. You are the one making the claim, it is up to you to provide the evidence to back it. Let's say I did read "those thread". If I were then to come back and say "nope - it all checked out, the histrionics were in your head." I'd wager you would respond by saying I read the wrong threads. I doubt you are willing to engage in a good-faith discussion further at this point. I'm not sure exactly which point you are making, which threads you are thinking, and I'm certainly not going to go try to find the evidence for a very vague claim that you are making.
thefaux 2y ago
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- verticalscaler 2y ago
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dang 2y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40565397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40565397.

coolbreezetft24 2y ago

I don't recall anyone on here saying the site will just go down forever. The general consensus here was that there'd be more bugs/glitches and a general degradation in quality. This seems to have panned out

verticalscaler 2y ago
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- seadan83 2y ago
  Can you provide citations/links and references? Though, I'm afraid this will be hard to quantify for you. You will also need to satisfy the burden of proof that those links/citations are prevalent ideas and constitute a representative sample of more than just a few individuals. What's more though, such a representative sample only just informs us about the population of HN commentators. I don't think that is a particularly interesting sub-population, very little (if anything) can be extrapolated other than: "there were a lot of comments on HN stating Y." Doesn't really mean much for me - to be blunt, nobody really cares what random groups of HN commentators think. It doesn't represent very much. On the other hand, perhaps we can look at actual studies that use statistical techniques to in fact make somewhat more interesting inferences, eg: - https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/06/07/17-studies-plus-advertising-data-map-out-twitters-decline/ https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/06/07/17-studies-plus-...
  - verticalscaler 2y ago
    LOL
    - seadan83 2y ago
      Cool deal dude. Confirmation bias and false extrapolation are common tools of the human mind to avoid the fact that very little is known for certain. Which is to say, humans are often uncomfortable acknowledging profound ignorance, and for most things - that's exactly what we are. Therefore, stating that a bunch of people on hacker news wrote something goes on to say absolutely nothing more than just exactly that. This is to point out the extrapolations you made are totally unsupported without more than anecdata. The very well sourced article linked would indicate you are cherry-picking and/or misrepresenting.
      - seadan83 2y ago
        Minor mea culpa, I realize now the population you are extrapolating to is all HN threads regarding Twitter/Musk and not more broad. I apologize for misreading and inferring you were extrapolating to all of media and more. Nonetheless, the point of unsupported (or false) extrapolation stands.
        verticalscaler 2y ago
        Go and read those threads.
        seadan83 2y ago
        Burden of proof is for you to find specific examples, quote them, link them, then find data that those items did not come to pass. Following that, find more quotes that are similar, enough so that it's a persistent and significant percentage to constitute an actual trend. Until then, it's anecdata. You are the one making the claim, it is up to you to provide the evidence to back it. Let's say I did read "those thread". If I were then to come back and say "nope - it all checked out, the histrionics were in your head." I'd wager you would respond by saying I read the wrong threads. I doubt you are willing to engage in a good-faith discussion further at this point. I'm not sure exactly which point you are making, which threads you are thinking, and I'm certainly not going to go try to find the evidence for a very vague claim that you are making.

thefaux 2y ago

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verticalscaler 2y ago
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dang 2y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40565397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40565397.