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The standard here was the doctor didn’t listen to the woman. He could easily have found she was lying or not with a simple overnight visit to the hospital. Put
by ok_dad 2y ago
The standard here was the doctor didn’t listen to the woman. He could easily have found she was lying or not with a simple overnight visit to the hospital. Put her in there for one night, see she’s not drinking but still drunk, and that’s it. Instead, she suffered for ages.
Listening is a simple standard. Doctors don’t listen because they don’t care further than getting more patients through the door faster.
If I tell my mechanic there is a problem with the steering, he’s not going to change the oil and send my car out, he’ll check the fucking steering.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoDid the woman come in and say "I have auto-brewery syndrome, and I want you to test me for it"? If so, then the comparison is off. It isnt that the doctors "didn't listen", it is that they didn't correctly deduce a 1 in a million cause, based on the information they had.
- ok_dad 2y agoShe came in, the doctor asked if she had drunk alcohol, she says no, what more is there to understand? This doctor didn’t listen. If he had, even if he didn’t know about this specific disease, he could have started tests and brought in other doctors. Instead, suffering. Not hard to understand. Doctors don’t listen.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoYou keep saying they don't listen, but there's no evidence they didn't hear what she said. It seems your problem is more with how much weight they put on that information, and how much effort they put into getting to the bottom of things. Most doctors aren't interested in playing Detective for the extremely rare cause. They treat the most likely cause given the information that they have on hand
- ok_dad 2y agoSo you’re admitting they don’t listen, they just try whatever’s most common.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI think you are hung up on the word listen, and I am saying there are a lot of things that happen after they hear what a patient says. patients aren't saying "I have auto brewery and would like you to confirm it". Patients are instead reporting symptoms which the doctor then has to interpret and find a likely cause. Even if they 100% believe the patients, the diagnosis may not be obvious. IF they dont 100% trust the patient, or think they may be confused, then it is even harder. Patients ARE very unreliable.
- ok_dad 2y agoSo if patients are so unreliable, why not send her to inpatient for one night to find out? There was a really simple way to solve this.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoTo find out what? What are they looking for in this hypothetical? That's my whole point. Why not make her do hand stands? Why not make make her wear pink? You are picking a test because you know the disease.
- ok_dad 2y agoThey think she’s a drunk, she says she isn’t, the easiest way to find out is ensure she can’t have alcohol. Not that hard to do at a hospital! Seems like a simple idea to me. Remember, it took several visits to figure this out, and no one even tried this simple thing to suss out if she was truly an alcoholic.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago