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> Every scrollbar is transparent, disappearing, tiny, and exceedingly difficult to grab. Why? I guess UI designers decided that scrollbars are ugly. It’s kind

by teddyh 2y ago

> Every scrollbar is transparent, disappearing, tiny, and exceedingly difficult to grab. Why? I guess UI designers decided that scrollbars are ugly. It’s kind of obvious, isn’t it? Every mouse now has a scroll wheel (or corresponding mechanism) and on touch displays, scrolling needs no scrollbar either. Of course, it’s still terrible to remove the only indication that a box has more information available that can fit, and is therefore scrollable. Not to mention the useful property of seeing both your current approximate position and the total size at a glance.

albert_e 2y ago
in many situations we need to scroll both vertically and horizontally -- for example a Excel spreadsheet / google sheets, or maps even on touch screens -- depending on the UI -- if the entire display area is "hot" the scrollbars might be the only way to pan around without editing / triggering other actions
- teddyh 2y ago
  > in many situations we need to scroll both vertically and horizontally Hold down shift to scroll horizontally.
  - albert_e 2y ago
    one can also use page-up / page-down / home / end / arrow / ctrl+arrow etc. ... if keyboard has to be used. scroll bars indicate visually how big the scroll area is and where you are ... and let you directly click or drag you position. there was a lot of useful functionality available at a single mouse click that has been sacrificed in pursuit of visual prettiness / minimalism.
Tsiklon 2y ago
Grabbing and manipulating the scroll bar can be significantly faster in large windows than scrolling incessantly. I know Logitech mice allow you to scroll freely, but a user shouldn’t have to purchase specific hardware to rectify for a failure in software
hulitu 2y ago
> It’s kind of obvious, isn’t it? Every mouse now has a scroll wheel (or corresponding mechanism The god damn scroll wheel does not work in half of the cases in Windows. When you have work to do is very annoying.

by teddyh 2y ago

albert_e 2y ago

in many situations we need to scroll both vertically and horizontally -- for example a Excel spreadsheet / google sheets, or maps even on touch screens -- depending on the UI -- if the entire display area is "hot" the scrollbars might be the only way to pan around without editing / triggering other actions

teddyh 2y ago
> in many situations we need to scroll both vertically and horizontally Hold down shift to scroll horizontally.
- albert_e 2y ago
  one can also use page-up / page-down / home / end / arrow / ctrl+arrow etc. ... if keyboard has to be used. scroll bars indicate visually how big the scroll area is and where you are ... and let you directly click or drag you position. there was a lot of useful functionality available at a single mouse click that has been sacrificed in pursuit of visual prettiness / minimalism.

Tsiklon 2y ago

Grabbing and manipulating the scroll bar can be significantly faster in large windows than scrolling incessantly. I know Logitech mice allow you to scroll freely, but a user shouldn’t have to purchase specific hardware to rectify for a failure in software

hulitu 2y ago

> It’s kind of obvious, isn’t it? Every mouse now has a scroll wheel (or corresponding mechanism The god damn scroll wheel does not work in half of the cases in Windows. When you have work to do is very annoying.